Birth by Sleep Who are the 3 Knights?

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  1. Etaxik Moogle Assistant

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    On this game Ihave several theories, but they revolve around each knight. Again, I do not look at video trailers or read spoilers, I like suprises! It keeps me playing the games and it makes me want to play the games over and over again!!

    1st Theory: The Knights were assigned to guard the 7 Princesses of Heart. Each Knight played the classic RPG forms: Warrior, Guardian and Mystic. I believe that Ven, Terra and Aqua had those roles respectively. I also believe that a single betrayal among the group lead to Sora, Riku and Kairi becoming an acting force. I also believe that this is why Kairi wound up on the Destiny Islands and not being able to remember being raised in the Radiant Garden / Hollow Bastion.


    2nd Theory: Ven, the Roxas-looking knight, had gieven his power to Sora. That's why when Sora sacrificed his own heart to free Kairi's, his Nobody, Roxas, looks like Ven. Also, I think Ven is the "voice" guiding Sora during his Awakening dream.

    3rd Theory: Aqua, the female knight, ended up losing her heart and becoming Xion. It is also possible Aqua is in fact still alive and is silently guiding Sora and Riku.

    4th Theory: Terra, the leader, is Xehanort, "no heart x". Anyone else notice that? Anyway, in one of Ansem the Wise's reports, he claims that Xehanort appeared at the doorstep of the Radiant Garden castle, mortally wounded. After Ansem rescued him, Xehanort became his apprentice, only to betray Ansem the Wise, steal his name and become "Ansem" as Xehanort's Heartless and "Xemans" as Xehanort's Nobody.

    5th Theory: The "Elder Mage" possesed Terra and is using his body to commit his acts of Darkness. Or perhaps, since the "Elder Mage" is elderly, he simply stole Terra's "life force" to gain immortality and Terra had been subconsciously seeking a way to stop the "Elder Mage" but was overcome by the darkness.

    At any rate, this is what I think. I also believe with Sora as the Hero of Light and Riku as the Hero of Darkness, the King must be the Hero of "twilight or in-between". Some role for being able to fight within both the realms of Light and Darkness.
     
  2. WilliamTheWise Hollow Bastion Committee

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    Well occurring to early plot parts of the story, VAT are sent by their master to stop MX (Master Xehanhort) from his evil plan. Which seems to invole the PoHs so in a sense they may very well act as guards to them.
    It's been confirmed VAT don not have a connect to one member of the SRK trio and since Kairi can't use the keyblade it's assume to be her

    Xehanhort sent her away to hopefully draw out the Keyblade's chosen one after he overthrew Ansem the Wise


    Define "power". Heart,soul ...?
    Mickey seems to be more likey

    [spoilers]
    Xion is a replica like replica Riku from CoM created from Sora's memories.
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    Plus heartless didn't exist during BBS so it's almost impossilbe for her to have become a nobody
    She's long gone
     
  3. Boy Wonder Dark Phoenix in Training

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    It'd help if you read info (not necessarily spoilers) and watched the trailers. It'd help you make more resourced theories.
    Well, I agree that they'll guard the 7 PoHs (or 6. I doubt Kairi will play a big role) but the fact that you said "assigned" brings up an interesting point. Who would assign them such a task? Just like Mickey and Yen Sid did to Riku and Sora, someone has to guide these three. My theory would be Master Xehanort taught them but left before the game starts and moved on to a new apprentice, the Dark Soldier. Kairi wounded up at Destiny Islands because "Xehanort" (or his Heartless, not sure which) sent her there. I can't remember if KH1 gave a reason to why she didn't remember. I doubt she was too young, but it could be possible "Xehanort" altered her memory. Memory is a big part of KH, after all. If the knights were supposed to guard the Princesses, Kairi would be a failed mission. This leads to many other theories of mine such as one of the knights granting Sora or Riku the power of the Keyblade to protect her, giving Sora Ven's heart, and others of the like, but for now, it's just theories, nothing proven.

    By power, do you mean heart? Keyblade? or something else? I personally don't have an exact theory or even an idea on why Roxas looks like Ven. It would make sense Ven being that voice and he would also guide Roxas and could even be Roxas' heart. (Ven gave his heart to Sora, Sora released it when he released his and Kairi's, Roxas was then born with Ven's heart. But when Sora stabbed himself, only two hearts were shown leaving his body) However, I always believed the voice to be the Keyblade. Not the Keyblade itself, but sort of a subconscious way that Sora manifested the Keyblade's intentions, if that made sense.
    If it wasn't for Days already out, I would disagree because Xion comes into the story too long after Aqua would have became a Nobody. But Days gives its own disagreement.
    That is what I believe. I had a long theory on it, but it's been forgotten lol. Terra would have lost his memory and only remembered Master Xehanort's name and was stuck with that. I'm torn between that and the Dark Soldier being "Xehanort". THat would create a pattern between "Xehanort" being an apprentice and stealing names. But the DS can wield a Keyblade, something Xehanort's Heartless and NObody couldn't do (I refuse to believe he simply "forgot" he could wield it). Terra's Keyblade didn't have a keychain which means (supposedly) it's not real. So that does make sense that he's "Xehanort." His Heartless was able to make another Keyblade with no chain, similar to the knights'.
    As for the anagrams. 'Another' could mean anything, but it does have an important and as-of-yet unrevealed meaning. 'No Heart' relates to KH in general and in my eyes, means "Xehanort" never had a heart to begin with, or lost it before he actually became a Heartless. That would explain why his Heartless is so different, had a human form despite the fact that Heartless are more monstrous when they're more powerful, and had the emblem despite being pureblood.

    Hm, my theory stated that, due to MX's actions, Terra was split in two: a light side and a dark side. The dark side became "Xehanort" and had enough energy to live while the light side was so weak it couldn't live and just lingered, become the Lingering Spirit (boss of KH2:FM+). But I never actually believed my own theory completely myself. I have a problem with the MX possessing Terra theories because it was already used by Xehanort's Heartless on Riku. I don't like patterns, and I think Nomura doesn't either. That's why he only made one of the main trio (Sora) have a heartless and Nobody. But we'll have to wait til the game comes out.
    Actually, Sora is the chosen Keybearer of Light and the Keyblade Master.
    Mickey is the Keybearer of Darkness. Not technically chosen, but has the ability to wield the Keyblade from the Realm of Darkness.
    Riku is the Keybearer of In Between, in a way. His Keyblade represents Light and Darkness/Twilight. When it just represented Darkness, it wasn't a real Keyblade (lack of a keychain). When he accepted Darkness AND Light, it changed to an actual Keyblade and I believe represents the power of the Realm of In Between.
    As for the Realm of Nothingness, I think Kairi is the chosen Keybearer of that Realm. 1. She has a real Keyblade (I refuse to believe it meant nothing and Nomura already said the scene in which she receives it hints at something.) 2. the only to survive in the Realm of Nothingness is to remember your past (if I'm right) and Kairi's memory of her past was remembered. (She didn't know she was PoH before, she lost her memory of Sora, etc.)

    Has it been explictly stated they were sent by their "Master"? That means there's another character we haven't heard about yet. I don't think they have an actual master, but we won't know for sure.
    Kairi did have a Keyblade. Kh2, the World that Never Was, Riku gave her one to use, although there's still mystery around it. The wiki had stated that
    Ven was the Keyblade Master before Sora and that was the connection
    but that was never actually revealed and you can't fully trust the wiki. But there is a connection between Ven and Roxas. Whether Sora is indirectly involved is likely, but still unknown.

    Mickey is powerful, but I doubt he has the ability to speak to someone in dreams while guiding them through a spiritual journey. Not only that, he was able to do it to Roxas too? Mickey's not THAt powerful
    it's [*spoiler*] and [*/spoiler*]. Singular, not plural. Ignore the asterisks.
    They did exist. They were just really rare and not well-known. Kairi had a Nobody but no Heartless (although she had a good explanation). But it has been proven Xion is not related to Aqua. Unless Aqua has a direct relation to Sora.
    We don't know that for sure. Just because Xemnas has her armor and Keyblade doesn't mean she's gone for sure. But chances are, she is long gone.

    Actually, it's been said that Master Xehanort's dissappearance "foreshadows a great disaster" and that's why they're searching for him. Besides Terra's unknown personal reason. But over the course of the game, they, obviously, find out his plan has to do with PoHs and try to stop him.
    I think Aqua had something to do with it because Ven asked her to erase him.
    Brexen's right about that.
    As I already said, "Xehanort" couldn't wield a Keyblade, but we still have to wait for the damn game to come out...
    I hope it's not exactly the same. I'm tired of the patterns.
    Riku chooses darkness then changes to twilight. He's possessed by Xehanort's Heartless. So I hope Terra doesn't do the same except being possesed by MX
    There's a Chosen Keyblade for each Realm and one person strong enough to wield that Keyblade. Sora is not just the Keybearer of Light, but the Keyblade Master as well, I think...
     
  4. chargedcloud Twilight Town Denizen

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    umm, have any one noticed? Sora, Kairi, Riku = Ven, aqua, Terra
    Sora means sky ven means air (pretty similar)
    Kairi means Sea, Aqua --->no more explanation needed (similar)
    Riku means land or shore, and Terra= terrain\land (Similar!!)
    Theories were made of Xehanort being terra meaning terra went to the darkside...
    Riku also went to the dark side? theres a connection dont u think?
     
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    im sorry bud...but with the resent information most of these are either outdated and incorrect, or common knowledge
     
  6. WilliamTheWise Hollow Bastion Committee

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    Sorry, I'm used to the KHI way of using spoiler tags.


    Yes it has been confirmed they have a master



    That was Riku's other Keyblade. He was basically dual wielding and letting her hold it. Kairi isn't a Keyblade master. And KH wiki isn't the most trust worth source
    Ven was an apprentice not a master and occuring to a boss battle in Kingdom Hearts2: Final Mix + with "Terra". It seems Terra orignal chose Riku to have the Kingdom Hearts



    He can talk to people throught their hearts like he did to Riku in KH1 and CoM



    Thanks


    Nope, The first Heartless was made After BBS. When Xehanhort was studying under Ansem The Wise.



    Right, but something tells me she's dead
     
  7. Ŧiмє Яǽрεѓ King's Apprentice

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    True, but I don't think she could have held it if she didn't have the potential to be a Wielder herself, or it would have just reappeared in Riku's hands.
     
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    When and where was it confirmed?



    Not everything on the wiki is a lie
    and who said Riku was dual wielding? If it was his, kairi wouldn't have been able to wield it. I doubt Riku's Keyblade would be flowery. Since when did he have the ability to dual wield?
    I'll have to look up what exactly Terra said, but I doubt he was the one that chose whoever wield the Keyblade.
    Besides, Nomura had confirmed himself that whether the Lingering Sentiment is Terra is uncertain and irrevelant


    So he knew Riku would choose darkness and Sora would have the Keyblade and then he was even able to talk to Roxas? Forgive me for doubting that.



    I am so tired of saying it
    Heartless have existed since before Ansem started studying hearts, but they mostly stayed in the Realm of Darkness. Nobodies have existed probably as much as Heartless. Ansem and his apprentices DISCOVERED the Heartless, not made them. Then Xehanort started manufacturing the EMBLEMED Heartlses



    OH, well if something tells you, then you must be right about it!
     
  9. WilliamTheWise Hollow Bastion Committee

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    Not unless Riku ordered it to stay put.
    Nomura confirms it's it Riku's in the "Another Reports"
    Plus no one questioned when Riku held Roxas's keyblade before they fought in TWTNW when Roxas left the organization.
    When the plot was first announced. All we know is that they are male

    But it's not the most creditable source on the web.
    Nomura
    Not wield, more like hold it

    His memories of Destiny Islands

    Xehanhort's memories effecting him.
    He said "You weren't the one I chose, to Sora"
    I'm tired of repeating myself. The first heartless was made by Xehanhort, he then went and made a machine to transform his creation in to stronger faster heartless. Re-read the Ansem reports from KH1. You clearly have your facts wrong. But since you seem so sure, bring me proof that Heartless were around during BBS.
    Just like you with the whole Heartless being before BBS thing right?