Whats up with Tobi from Akatsuki?

Who is he?

Where does he get his powers from?

Whats his objective?

I got some theories, but I'd rather hear your opinions before I go off on some rants.

First of all, I know he's Madara, but why does he look like Obito?

Why does he use Time/Space Jutsu? (I know this one)

I know he seeks to "restore the power of his sharingan", but why and how?

 

Well i have a theory as to why tobi is obito and not madara.
Personally i don't know what he's up to but i know zetsu is apart of it because zetsu is seen talking to madara and taking direct orders from him.I explain the time space techniques below.

I think that it's obito but i have some proof for it.
-Tobi shows the same attitude as tobi.When tobi talks to sasuke he tries to clear himself of any wrong doing pertaining to the fox attack.The madara we are told about from the past was a ruthless power hungry warrior.
-tobi has not been shown to use his eternal mangakyou sharingan or even show it.I think he does have a mangakyou but not the fabled eternal mangakyou like madara.
-tobi wears his mask with a hole to see throught his right eye, the sharingan eye he kept while the other doesn't function because it only has kakashi's useless eye. The only eye we ever see is his right eye even when he show's his face to sasuke.
-tobi is good with time space jutsu's just like obito's teacher, minato namikaze who used the flying thunder god technique.
-Tobi is good with earth techniques, the same as he saw in kakashi's gaiden which leads me to my final and most important point.
-Obito had his sharingan activated when the iwagakure ninja used a jutsu that loosened rock which means Obito could've lifted the boulder off himself with his still functioning half of his body.he had seen rin using medical jutsu which he could've used to slowly heal himself.He flees to Kirigakure, he is raised there and he becomes mizukage.

 

Lol, well if you read about Naruto on wikipedia, it says a lot of stuff concerning the Akatsuki and Obito. I dunno if you'll find it interesting etc, but mweh just thought I'd share that ~

 

"Before Tobi was revealed to be Madara Uchiha, several fans hypothesized that he was Obito Uchiha, as his only shown eye was the opposite of the eye that was inserted in Kakashi. They also have similar personalities, hair styles, as well as the same blood type, "O". The spelling of Obito was also similar to Tobi, creating the fan reference of ObiTobi, or Tobito. Even though Tobi has been referred to as Madara several times in the series, some fans still insist that Obito is somehow connected to Tobi or Madara."

Narutopedia

Furthermore,Tobi's real identity is discussed in Naruto third databook.

 

ya i know the about the theory on narutopedia.

 

Not a theory. Spoken word. I also read it in the databook.

 

I don't think that Tobi is Obito. I know that Naruto has gone through some pretty twisted arcs, but it would be so messed up if Obito survived and didn't go back to his team.

Tobi said that he was Madara Uchiha, but I don't see how that's possible. After all, he'd be really old. Plus, Madara was described as a ruthless killer with practically no emotions. Tobi has been known to show some emotions. I'm not talking about all the goofiness - that could all be a ruse. I mean is the under-the-surface stuff.

Personally, I'd like to just find out with Naruto, or Sasuke, or whoever. I don't want to know before they do - I think that would ruin a bit of the thrill of joining Naruto on his journey. I do like to theorize and see what other people think, but going along with Naruto and the gang is enough for me.

 

More Tobito theorist...

*Cracks Knuckes*

I'll tackle your arguements under the assumption that Pain, and Tobi himself both correctly identified Madara as Tobi's true identity.

1. Asuming he is Madara, he'd want to manipulate Sasuke. Therefore, it'd be important that Sasuke believe he isn't such a bad guy.

2. He could have lost the Eternal Mangeko. Tobi mentions (as Madara) that he wishes to restore the power of his Sharingan eye. Suggesting that its lacking some of the power it had before.

3. Perhaps he did lose one eye. And Obito lost his right eye as well. See above

4. There is a way Madara could have learned that technique. Its all in the eye.

5. Perhaps Tobi inherited his body already knowing such techniques.

6. Thats assuming a lot.

Eternal Mangeko grants immortality. However, Tobi hasn't been seen using the Eternal Mangeko... yet. I mentioned earlier that Tobi's master plan could be to restore that Sharingan.

I have two ideas floating around as to how Tobi isn't as old as Madara should be.

1 Is the Eternal Mangeko expired, but prior to its experation date, it kept him young for a really long time.

2 Is he used up some of his powers to possess another body.

 

I personally think he is Madara and NOT Obito.

I haven't really thought about any theories, but I assume that his time/space jutsu has to do with his Mangekyo Sharingan, even if he doesn't have it anymore.

 

I believe he Sharingan'd it from Minato. During the attack of the Nine Tail'd fox.

 

That's a good point. But I assumed it was because Kakashi and Itachi both could send people into another dimension, Madara's Mangekyo could send parts of his body into another dimension and avoid attack.

Interesting fact from the wiki:
Madara (斑) can be translated as "spots". Tobi can be translated as "jump" (飛), or as "kite" (鳶). The latter translation connects Tobi with Hawk through the Japanese proverb "a hawk born from a kite" (鳶が鷹を生む, tobi ga taka o umu), meaning that an extraordinarily gifted child can be born from ordinary parents.

 

I think if Madara/Tobi can animate bodies... he has a special plan in mind for Sasuke... or maybe just his eyes...

 

That's a good point. Taking a sibling's Mangekyo Sharingan gives you the Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan; I bet taking an unrelated Mangekyo still enhances your power

 

I bet taking a grandchilds Mangeko is even stronger. Remember, Tobi's ultimate goal is to restore his Sharingan.

He might use other methods than the Tailed Beast to boost his power.

 

Now we're getting somewhere. If he is able to take Sasuke's eyes, he'll be able to use Tsukyomi. And if he has been storing the chakra from the tailed beasts, maybe there is some way he has to harness it.

 

If the closer you are to your eye doner, the stronger your mangeko becomes, then I wonder how strong a decendants eye is.

 

The first thing i'll say is that you just said that he manipulated sasuke to think he's a good guy.Who's not to say that tobi just manipulated pain into thinking tobi is madara.

The immortality thing is just an assumation because of the fact that tobi doesn't look as old as he should be and the fact that we assume he survived his battle against tobirama but there is nothing thats states it actually does grant immortality.

You can't lose an eternal mangakyou sharingan, it's one of the many perks of an eternal mangakyou it stays with you forever until you die.

I can't deny that you have a point there.

In the battle between the eight man squad and tobi kakashi compares the time space jutsu's that he is using to the flying thunder god technique that minato had.that couldn't be a coincidence.Obito had the time to copy it as minato came to rescue them after all.

I can't deny that you have a point there.

Well know as soon as we see what form tobi's mangakyou sharingan takes.

P.S: You'll have to edit your siggy now that nagato/pein is dead lol

 

Objection! That was objectionable.

Obito didn't awaken his Sharingan till the battle with Taiseki. And he didn't see it being done after it was.

 

That's a good point, I forgot that was his first time using it.

 

Good point. Someone is being lied to. But proving who it is is more challenging. However, Pein isn't the only beliver. Sasuke, Kisame, Konan, Zetsu, and yes... even Itachi all believe Tobi is Madara. Those people can't all be that gullibul, especially Itachi, who always seemed to be in the know of everything.

Minato claims to have fought Madara the night the Nine Tailed Fox attacked the Konoha. Jiraya, Minato, and Itachi all believe Madara to have manipulated the attack. So, if Madara was involved in the Nine Tailed Fox attack. That means he must have survived the battle at the Valley of the End.

The main perk is you don't go blind.

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Madara fought Minato, according to Minato. Also, Minato fought Kyuubi. According to some, the Kyuubi had the Sharingan eye... Madara see's through it using the Sharingan. Obito activated his sharingan right before he died.

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Yeah... my guess is it will look like this...



If it does, do I win?

PS: I found a good one, but I could never find it again.