Birth by Sleep ven ---> sora ---> roxas. another theory. plz read

Okay yes yes it’s another one! But bear with me for a while ight?
Well anyway. Before I get to this I wana point out something…. VEN IS NOT SORAS FATHER OR BROTHER!
It is possible yes but that’s now what squar enix way. When they meant “relation†with one other it could mean they share a heart or their memoires are some how linked. Final fantasy might go by blood relations but in kh it’s by heart and memories.
Now my theory is on ven. Bunch of em I know.
When you look in the video ven freezes and “dies†or at least really injured. There was no way some one can survive that. (or maybe idk) but either way I think that roxas started to loss or get his heart weakened or destroyed. In order to save him I believe that terra some how was able to share vens heart with sora. Something like that takes a lot of power witch could also be an explanation to why he don’t remember anything (I’m referring to the ansum report when he Sais that xehanort forgot everything exept his name) now after 10 years sora is ready to obtain the keyblade. Im sure after 10 years ven sleeping in sora’s heart he had some energy to come out in some way. When you play kh1 there is a voice at the beginning. He sais “I don’t have much time…†witch could mean that he might not be able to maintain to contact with sora for long cus he still sleeping and still has a weak heart. After all that about at the end of the game sora gave up his heart and roxas was born. Im thinking that ven was able to come out of sleeping and came out as soras nobody. After recovering from sleep he forgot all his memories. Like when sora fell asleep for a year and forgot his adventure in chain of memories.
Another thing. There is a video when roxas walks on the black beach with xehanort. He said “he looks just like you…†I think he was refuring to ven and not sora. Xehanort never seen sora (at least I don’t think so).
Well that’s wha I got so far. Coment tell me what you think.

 

First of all, you may want to really proofread this before you post it.
Second, Square Enix goes in different directions all the time, and seeing as how BBS comes before KH, what makes it not plausible that blood relation will transition to linked memories and hearts over time.

Also if you are saying the Ven has remained dormant in Sora's heart....is there a set date that this takes place before KH? Because if it is before Sora's birth then how can he be infused with Sora before he is even born, and if it does take place around the time of his birth, then there is the blood relationship possibility.

You have to remember that Roxas didn't exist until the events at Hollow Bastion in the first game.

With the last thought of yours, is it concrete that the figure Xehanort is talking to about Sora is Roxas, I do not know, it's possible that it could be Ven...but i'm not buying it.

 

no. the game takes place 10 years befor sora OBTAINED the keyblade. so sora is 4. some how terra was able to fuse ven's heart while sora was young. i strongly beleave that there is no blood relation with any one in this game. why would the just change all of a sudden? sure we dont expect things but we arnt gama see roxas suddenly finding out that hes related to hayner or something.

 

*Shrugs*

Just my opinion.

If the game does take place ten years before KH then I can see your thought pattern.

But you open up an interesting question:
If twilight town was created by Ansem to sustain Roxas and Namine while Sora slept, could Hayner, Pence or Olette be just computer programs...or others who lost their hearts?

 

their not programs. their copies of the real twilight town and kids. it was to destract roxas so they can put sora and roxas back together. roxas was in a virtual world and the real twilight town had nothing to do with him. but ansume needed data so i guess it some how got into their memries when hayner refurs to "are you sure... you look familer" but thats my thought. play the game over again youll get it.

 

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I have a theory. After ven was frozen his heart past from his own body to sora's.When sora unlocked his heart along kiari's and i think Vens.I think that when sora went into his deep sleep after Castle Oblivion , the reason why sora needed roxas(ven) because after awhile soras body became dependent on vens heart.I think after ten long years of residing within sora vens heart became a part of him.That is why he just faded into him.He didn't have to fade into sora,the reason sora needed roxas is because retained most of soras memories.

 

daxma, next time, make your own thread with your own theory okie dokey?

Also, knowing Square, that could be plausible....

But I just remembered something off-topic: In a screen shot on khi I noticed that one of them had said "friend"...Does that mean whomever is the shadow person considers ven as a possible friend?

idk....but anyway...​

 

You make a good point and it´s a good theory, but I really doubt Terra somehow mixed Sora´s and Ven´s heart, because if he did that he would have to kill Ven or turn him into a heartless, because if you look well in the video when Ven is in Aquas hands, after he got frozen Ven´s eyes move, and look at aqua, wich tells us that he didn´t die. So I think Terra couldn´t mix their hearts cauze in orther to do that he would have to somehow take Ven´s heart, and by doing that he would turn him into a heartless, and i doubt that he would do that to him.

 

But remember when Kairi lost her heart? It mixed with Sora's heart aswell. She just vanished into Sora's body when Destiny Island was attacked by the heartless.
So Ven doesn't need to be a heartless to give his heart or to fuse with Sora.... or whatever ^^

Oh and by the way! Good theory you got there =P

 

That´s true but in orther for that to happen he needs to lose his heart, wich didn´t happen to Ven xD, the poor guy got frozen xD.

 

alright lil update.

back then heartless were didnt exist so ven could still obtain his body just nto maintain his heart. and your probobly right its not terra. it could be aqua since we see no info on her what so ever. i do still strongly beleave that he some how shares a heat with ven. and some one brought up a good point (sorry i forgot your name but you know who you are XP) when sora unlocked his heart to shar it with kairi roxas was born. since roxas developed a relation with namine he became conected to kairi his is conected to namine. make sence? roxas->namine->kairi->sora. if you really think about it they all share the same heart. anyway its just a theory. thank you.

 

You´ve brought up a pretty good theory ^^, but i don´t undestand the last part xD.

 

really... i dont eather XD. but my main thing is that ven is sleeping in sora and comes out as roxas.thats pritty much im trying to get out XP

 

If you see it that way it could be true but personally i don´t think so xd

 

hmm, maybe when ven was frozen, his heart belongs to sora? and when he became heartless, ven's heart is belongs to Roxas.

hmm, is that right?

 

In the BBS trailer....

Ven says “Because he’s my friend, please erase me.â€
http://www.kingdomhearts3.net/news/tokyo-game-show-2007

Maybe he is related to Roxas someway, it seems likely. If you look at the quote, he is asking someone to "erase" him, but in what way? I think he might mean something like "erase me from memory." Maybe someone from the current Kingdom Hearts characters knows him but he was erased from their memory. The quote also implies that if Ven is not erased he may do something that may hurt his friend.

Ahh I don't know what I'm trying to say. Maybe Ven lives on in Sora or something like how Kairi's heart was in Sora's heart. Like Ven is sleeping within Sora. And then when Roxas was made, it was like a mixture of Ven and Sora or maybe it was just Ven. Or maybe when Ven was erased he gave his powers to Sora or something.

Well whatever, I just wanted to say that yeah I think Ven and Roxas maybe in a way the same person.

 

Ok I have a theory about this xD, it´s more of an explenation...
Don´t you think theres is at least a 1% chance that Ven is a nobody?, I mean looking at what we comented before, that Ven is part of Roxas, well maybe Ven is like Sora´s father nobody....just an idea xD

 

NO

Ven is NOT a nobody, as they didn't even exist prior to the events of Ansem's studies.Still I believe that he has ties with Sora, a being cast out of "the realm of present"and forced backwards in time.READ MY SIG AND YOU WILL FIND OUT WHY I THINK THIS...

 

He meant erase because he wants the memory of him erased. He was talking to Aqua, whom is related to Namine, wo can munipulate memories....so you caould say Aqua can 2