Birth by Sleep Theory Regarding Ven/Roxas

Discussion in 'Kingdom Hearts HD II.5 ReMIX' started by Evilgidgit, Jan 7, 2010.

  1. Evilgidgit Merlin's Housekeeper

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    This is just a theory, but it is most likely that Ven and Roxas are the same person. Perhaps Ven is mortally wounded in the end of BBS, or something along those, but one of the other characters removes his heart and puts it in Sora, similar to how Kairi's heart escaped into Sora. And when Sora releases Kairi's heart, he releases Ven's in process, and somehow recreates his body in the form of Roxas.
     
  2. renteka-bond Traverse Town Homebody

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    Cuz Nomura just made it up. I guess that's the problem with making prequels after the fact; when you try to diversify the characters, its bound to cause some kind of plot hole.

    I'm pretty sure they changed his grip because it would be pretty boring have having...6+ games with the protagonist(s) having the exact same fighting style. Even though the attacks are still basically the same...
     
  3. WilliamTheWise Hollow Bastion Committee

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    They are confirmed to be separate people. While they look alike their personalities are different.
    If another heart was in Sora there would've been some sort of hint towards it. As we saw in KH1, with Kairi. Sora was effected by her heart and saw illusions of her in random places and was able to remember parts of Kairi's memories. Nothing of the sort happened to Sora that would hint towards Ven being within Sora.
    If Ven's heart was freed it would've returned to his body no matter where it was.
    When someone becomes a heartless they slowly lose their sense of self and memories. The theory is that when a person becomes a heartless and they spawn a nobody the memories are sent to the nobody during this time. The memory transfer from Sora to Roxas was interrupted by Kairi's light clearing the darkness around his heart. Leaving Roxas without any memories.
     
  4. WilliamTheWise Hollow Bastion Committee

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    Good times, but if anything Sora was likely confused on his awakening as he wondered if that was real or not.
    Well the question is, was that a dream or a dive into Sora's own heart which he only thought was a dream? And we can't be sure the opening was part of Sora' dream and thoughts or a montage of events for metaphors and foreshadowing. KH2 opening was basically just that.
    But why didn't they start coming once Sora had the keyblade? I mean Kairi was able to appear because a room reminded her of the secert place. Surely something in Kh1 would have triggered Ven's memories if he was in his heart. Sora saw the same princesses, and Ansem the Seeker of Darkness was dressed just like Master Xehanort. He should have noticed something of the sort.
     
  5. Evilgidgit Merlin's Housekeeper

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    Now I understand why you are called William the Wise, you made good counter-points.