The US of A is not a Christian nation, and the Constitution is not based on the Bible

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  1. Mirai King's Apprentice

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    There is a myth going around America that this country was founded by Christians and is a Christian nation.

    Well, I must tell that it's just that; a myth.

    Most of the Founding Fathers were deists, not Christians. Quite a few were Freemasons who support a secular government where all can choose their own religion and practice it without any pressure.

    If the Constitution was based on the Ten Commandments, where is "Thou shalt not covet," "thou shalt honor thy mother and thy father," and ofcourse, why do we have freedom of religion? That's the first Commandment!

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    The free masons was originally a group of people in a few cities who would built lodges for fellow workers to sleep in when they were doing a job or something in that town yet lived somewhere else. Somewhere along the line different religious sects intervened and joined the Free masons, trying to make the cities in which they infiltrated more keen their religion. One of these was the Knights Templar, a group of extremist christians that was originally part of the crusades. Although the christians that joined the free masons were few and far between, christianty soon became a growing phenomenon that most people, including free masons joined in. The nation was in fact built on fundamentalist christian views, but not the exact critera. America was colonized and founded on religous freedom, and therefore the mainly christian government wanted their views and ideas to be incorperated into the governmental system without thrusting the christian religion on everyone. However today we still see minor references to God in both the pledge of allegience as well as on our money.

    In the end...no, the government was not based on the bible, but America is at this time considered a christian nation for the fact that an ever growing majority of it's citizens are of the christian faith. America is meant to be the melting pot of the world, so many cultures and backgrounds mixing togethor, but overall America is christian with others cultures tossed in.

    So...to put it short...you are wrong.
     
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    What was said is partially true and partially false. Many of the founding fathers were Deists, you are correct.

    George Washington was a Deist that believed that God would not interfere in the matters and affairs of mankind. There is a rumor that he 'prayed' to win a serious battle and this was proved false. Mason Locke Weems, a pastor, made up a brilliant story of George Washington and sadly, until recently this was believed.

    Thomas Jefferson, George Wythe, Benjamin Franklin, Thomas Paine and a few others were also Deists.

    Where you are right is that the country was not made to be founded on "The Bible" but due to the fact they had a belief in God or some were agnostic and not prepared to call out it was a facade, we can say that they were somewhat Christian. Others were fundamentalist Christians, and there were serious debates on the issue of 'Freedom of Religion'. Because of the fact that quite a few of the founding fathers were Deist while others were strongly Christian, you can see throughout the original Declaration of Independence and other works that they were mainly catering to dealing with the problems of not wanting wars or sponsorship in the government of 'One brand' of Christianity. However, due to the fact that the majority of people in the U.S. were Christian and from Europe, we must see that when it came to 'freedom of religion' they were mainly referring to ideals of Deists, Christian Puritans, Christian Catholics, Christian Protestants, Methodists etc. All of these groups believed in God, though their beliefs differ.

    Even today 80% of the country in polls is decidedly Christian, though of course everyone doesn't get to vote so the polls could be inaccurate and are more than likely disproportionate. However, the view here is that even though they are Christians, if you broke down into what groups they connect to, or if they are independent thinkers or Deists, then we'd see fluctuation.

    The Founding Fathers were brilliant to add the Freedom of Religion issue to our country but initially it should be seen that they weren't probably thinking about Buddhists, Hindus, Islamic followers etc, since Chinese and other orientals, Indians etc were mainly indentured servants if that and did not have a great voice to be represented. However, we should applaud that rule because it has helped others of us to exist free of too much turmoil, and it also aids in not proclaiming one type of Christianity as 'dominant' either that the government can use.

    So, in the end, I would say your statement is false on the fact that even if people were 'Deist' they still believed in God in some manner and the facts are that Europeans were the ones making the choices. I would say you would be more right if you said 'This country was not founded on 'The Bible' because no, we do not have to have the 10 Commandments shoved everywhere, though some groups try. Also, the right of Freedom of Religion is something that lets everyone have a reason to not be oppressed by a government that cannot shove it on us as a forced thing to do.
     
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    Does the population really matter? The reason why most Christians today think that America is Christian is not because of population, but is based on "One nation under God," which ofcourse, was added in the 50's due to the Red Scare.

    Deists do not necessarily believe in the Christian God. Infact, Thomas Jefferson wrote a version of the Bible where the Apostles never even mention that Jesus is divine and he threw out the miracles. So I doubt Thomas Jefferson believe that Jesus was the son of God.

    Darn it. I forgot to mention the Treaty of Tripoli.

    Article 11: "As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquillity, of Mussulmen; and, as the said States never entered into any war, or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties, that no pretext arising from religious opinions, shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries."

    This part was approved by John Adams, one of the Founding Fathers.
     
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