Kingdom Hearts II the room of rememberance

When I was watching some of the new final mix+ scenes I came up with this theory.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UeUpgV7dQkk

First thing i noticed was that he typed in brother so I'm geusing that knight he talked to was his brother making his original self (not his nobody) A keyblade weilder or just a brother of a keyblade weilder. But then I thought this was the real Ansems(Ansem the Wise) room meaning he set the password making him the brother of the keyblade weilder. So back to the room. Why would Xemnes go to a room with the nights armor unless the purpose of the Room of rembrance is to be able to talk with people who have died. So Xemnes seemed to talk to Ansem the wise's brother and got to know him and that's why he called him his friend at the end. Then I thought why he would say it's been a long time friend? Like why wouldn't he talk to him more often. Also I noticed more doors on the way down the hall probably rooms were other important people were kept to talk to. I also believe this has some relation to This mysterious room.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKmsUIU9k...related&search=

I noticed at 31 seconds this line. Soon I won't even be able to talk to your consciousness like this. So I wondered if Axel somehow got to the Room of remembrance and was able to talk to Roxas again. But it would seem if you can only talk to some ones consciousness a few times before it's gone.
Plz tell me what you think.

 

he typed in ANOTHER, which is xehanort without the x. and that changes your whole thoery. that was aqua's armor ther and in another cut scene xig, and zexion talk about a room of sleep and a room of awakening.

aqua is in the room of sleep. im guessing ven's armor is in the room of awakening.
he called aqua "friend" for some reason. aqua is female.

the whole "brother" thing is wrong IMO.

 

It was a good theory but not true. Xehanort also is Xno heart. I never understood the whole "Room of sleep" and "Room of awakening" thing either.

 

Yeah I did always get them mixed up. And what do you mean by xno heart?

 

I can name Another and No Heart, what other names can you make Xehanort from? And why does he have a X in his name? I don't know what his name would be if he used Xehanort when he turned into a Nobody instead of Ansem

 

I'm not sure about the room of sleep thing, but if you open the menu in kh1 when Sora is in the place where he fights Darkside, the place is called Awakening, so maybe it has something to do with the keyblade choosing a master or something.

 

maybe thats why xehanort used ansem's name because xehanort already had an x in it so he couldnt use it.

 

OK here's my take, dunno if this will clear anything up though. Plus possible Spoilers so be warned!

I used this link, http://www.kh-vids.net/index.php?page=kh2fmcutsubs and then clicked on 'An Old Friend' since the link given doesn't work on my comp

OK firstly we see the black hooded figure entering the computer room in Ansem the Wise's old lab. Notice how when he is scanned by the computer/camera he is identified as 'Unknown' and a kind of alert tone goes off. The hood figure then uses as device to terminate the camera. This tells us that he must be an intruder.

He then loads the disk. Notice the colour: black and white. This may have some connection with light and darkness, a big theme in KH as we all know. (or perhaps its just the way the coloured it, I'll let you decide)

The password he types is 'Another'. As people have said it is an anagram of 'Xehanort' without the 'X' and also of 'No Heart', implying that the hooded figure may be Xenmas, Xehanort's nobody.

He then types several other passwords.

Does anyone else wish we could've gone down there? We know the top bit was used as a 'Heartless Factory' possibly as a means of experimentation or perhaps it was hijacked and used for that purpose.

OK so the hooded figure goes down the spiral staircase. What's interesting is there are those vein type structures on the wall. The same as which are found in the graveyard in the World that Never Was. Suggesting that whatever's down there is either dead or incomplete (like the nobodies).

Also it seems the black hooded figure is familiar with these settings. He knows exactly where to go. As he goes down the stairs we hear voices, and it sounds like a flashback. It's Ansem the Wise talking to his assistant Xehanort. He forbids Xehanort to carry out the research about the 'Doors' to light and darkness. So we kinda figure the hooded bloke is none other Xemnas.

We can't help but ask 'Why?' The dangers or the complexity of it all? Or both?

Anyways it seems Xehanort will not be detered at all. Now in his nobody form as Xemnas he is about to finish what he begun. Remember in the World that Never Was Xemnas told Ansem the Wise that he had surpassed him in research?

So he walks down the corridor and there's loads of prison cells. Dunno what these are. Perhaps cells for the subjects to the experiments.

Then Xemnas enters that big white room. White room says Namine to me, and Namine means memories. Also notice the chains on the wall. Again, adding to the theme of memories.

Then we see the armour and keyblades of one of the chasers! According to most, these belong to Aqua. Her armour is very battered, so she's definitaly suffered in someway.

The chains begin to glow and run along to Aqua's armour and Keyblade. 'It's been a long time... Old friend.' Xemnas says. This means they knew each other but was Xemnas being sarcastic or truthful when he called her 'Friend'? Either way, he definitely has some purpose for her.

If they were friends, I assume it was when Xehanort was a lab assistant. Perhaps they both lived in Radiant Garden at the same time. Maybe he even liked her? Hell knows.

If he was being sarky and they weren't maybe he faced her in the keyblade war. And now he wan't revenge or to use her a a weapon/experimental guinea pig.

Ooh! It's all so exciting! Maybe this is where KH3 kicks off. There was definitely some kind purpose/hint in showing us this.

Then in the 'Remembrance' we just see Roxas and Axel talking to each other about the past. Maybe they both visited the past? Remember how Axel said he really wanted to talk to Roxas so he took Kairi? So maybe Kairi was the key to this. We know Roxas and Kairi became connected when Sora's memories were being chained together. So was Axel going to use Kairi as a medium to see Roxas again? But he did manange to see him again, even without Kairi's (or even Namine's) help. My belief is that after Axel himself became connected to Sora, he was able to Roxas conciously once more.

Which leads me to Namine. Namine has special powers to control memories. But no ones seems to know where she got them from. Kairi was originally a resident at Radiant Garden. My theory is that Namine was born here too and was soon seized by Organisation 13 (note the prison cells in the basement, remember how in ReCOM she said she'd always been alone?) and some how received the powers from that white room where the chains are. Then she was put in Castle Oblivion to ruin Sora, the current Keyblade Wielder. So they wanted rid of Sora, but to revive Aqua/the Chasers. Why?

I think it's imoprtant that we realise the room of awakening and remembrance are different... Oh I've just confused myself.

 

Xehanort is an anagram of anotherX and no heartX.

 

nice theory!

 

Ummm, shouldn't this go in FM+ section? And nice theorys.

 

i think the other 6 passwords are the names of the original 6 nobodies in organization 13. there orignal names as in their somebody names ex instead of vexen it was even.

 

this topic has been dead for 2 months lol...

 

so lets revive it lol think of it as birth by sleep

 

Very interesting theory and I believe it is very dead on, except for the part on Namine and Kairi really. I'll highlight on that, but I agreed with all you wrote about Xemnas being the one who went down the stairs and all, and that perhaps Namine was used there in some way too. We see very eye to eye there as that has been my thought too. Also, I did look it up months ago when this quandary about 'brother' or 'another' came up and the password is 'another'. Xehanort without the X made sense as the password and Xemnas did know exactly what he was seeking there and what to do.

I believe Axel wanted to use Kairi as in forcing Sora to turn to Darkness because he held Kairi and used her as the reason for it. Knowing Kairi could turn Sora back and Roxas would be free again as in KH1, I 'think' that was his whole idea there, and then Roxas would be free again to roam off and Sora and Kairi could go off and do their thing.

As for Namine, Kairi and Namine had a lot of unusual powers so I guess we'll have to see how that plays out. Kairi has a lot of potential to do things that right now just manifest themselves in simple things, but when you think about it, they are quite powerful, such as the bottle in the water that opens a door out of Darkness back to Light so Riku and Sora can go home. That simple message embodied the power to do what the two boys could not with all of their power. Also, she made a Keychain unknowingly that she said was of Talacta Shells (spelling there cuz I may have it wrong) which would help sailors find their way home. It became the Oathkeeper keyblade that would help Sora out a lot and also possibly tied Roxas to the whole thing too.

The reason why I think Xemnas wants to bring back the other 2 chasers is because i think he is 'Terra's' Nobody. Roxas looks like Ven and perhaps is the part of Ven that may have disappeared in BBS and merged somehow with Sora. Terra I think was taken over by Master Xehanort, but when he became a Nobody as Xemnas, he was freed of that and sought revenge. I think he wanted Aqua and Ven back and it was part of his plan to go after whatever might remain of Master Xehanort, but I'm not sure. That's all speculation and a big guess theory. I'd be interested to hear what you think on this stuff and compare notes.

 

But from what we saw, Xemnas didn't have Aqua in the room, just her armor. Unless Aqua was somewhere offscreen in the scene, which I find unlikely, because if the people at Square-Enix wanted Aqua in that scene, they'd have shown her wearing the armor with her face hidden behind the helmet, instead of just showing her empty armor lying on the floor.

Yet, notice how Aqua's Keyblade is lying next to the armor. Isn't it supposed to be impossible to take the keyblade from the Keyblade Master? we've seen it happen many times in the series, like Jack Sparrow trying to use Sora's keyblade with no luck, Roxas throwing away his keyblade, which just automatically appears again in his hand, and so forth. So perhaps Aqua is closer than I thought.

Or maybe, it is actually possible to wield the Keyblade with the bearer's permission. Captain Hook seemed to think so when he threatened Sora to "hand over the Keyblade and I'll spare your lives". Of course, Captain Hook isn't exactly the brightest character of the bunch, so maybe he shouldn't be taken seriously.

 

You bring up a very good point that the Keyblade was there. I must have missed that. I have pondered if 'number 14' is Aqua or Aqua's Nobody...but that doesn't really explain why the Keyblade is there itself. Also, we can't really know what happened to Aqua yet. So..yeah, wow..good point to think on now.

 

The interesting part is how did he get Aqua's armor and keyblade. I mean did he just find it?

 

Hmm... Interesting

 

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