Kingdom Hearts II The goals of the Organization

I'm just wondering about one thing in the KHII storyline....

Okay, as far as I understand, Organization XIII just want to recover their hearts from Kingdom Hearts and become whole and complete. They do this by making Sora destroy the Heartless. When Sora learns this, he doesn't want to fight the Heartless any more.

But what confuses me is: WHY CAN'T SORA JUST LET THEM DO THAT??? What could possibly happen if he allowed them to get Kingdom Hearts? Aren't they just going to recover their hearts?

 

It's more complicated actually. Remember, Kingdom Hearts is the sorce of ultimate power. If they got a hold of it, they'd all have hearts and more. And, remember what they were doing before they became Heartless? They were conducting research better left alone. And, remember what Xemnas said? If he got a hold of Kingdom Hearts, he was gonna create an evil empire! So to speak. But if he failed like Ansem the Wise said, that would mean destruction for everything! Besides, usually if a bad group wants something, it's better if you prevent them from having it, even if you don't know what it is.

 

...And they were using the Heartless to further their plan. Even going so far as to actively try to turn people into Heartless. And we all know how destructive they are to the stability of the worlds.

The fact is that the Organization was up to all kinds of morally questionable things in order to see their goal to completion. They are the bad guys, remember? ;)

 

That too ^ :D

 

Who knows what could've happen if they had their hearts again? It proably bring chaos to the worlds and people dying and Sora would not take that risk.

 

Huh... I was thinking the same thing...

Okay... so I get it now...

But wouldn't there be a different way of solving that problem other than killing them all? D= I mean, seriously, it's kinda sad isn't it? They just wanted hearts, and that emptiness that they felt inside them must have been driving them crazy...

I don't see the Organization just as the "bad guys". I just think that they wanted their hearts back, and would do anything to do it. And I'm pretty sure they wouldn't continue their experements after what happened before... XD;

 

You're right about that, having no heart did drive them crazy. And craziness mixed with their evil intentions is what caused all the destuction. Now, if they had Kingdom Hearts, imagine all that destruction one thousand times worse. And I also agree that killing them was a little harsh, but it was the only way, and they did try to kill Sora anyways. Unfortunatly though, they also wouldn't have stopped their research either. Xemnas said himself that with the research he gathered he would further it and create another world. Does that clear things up?

 

The part about having no heart is true.Those people are all crazy and would do anything to get their hearts back.Xemnas is the main antogonist(sp?) in KH2Xemnas ultimately wants to be God of Kingdom Hearts when he gets a hold of it,(A lot of people are saying that) What do you think the rest of the Organization will do if they get back their hearts?!Will they be like "We got our hearts back!Lets Cause Choas!"?

 

Well, I'm not sure about that, but I'm sure they'd do whatever Xemnas told them to do. Which is more like, "We have finally obtained Kingdom Hearts! We now have ultimate power! May all the other worlds bow before us!"

 

*cough* Not really.

Tne only reason Roxas left the Org. was because he wanted to find who he was and why he had the keyblade.

Axel never betrayed the Org. The only reason they marked him a traitor is because he didn't fulfill the mission of getting Roxas back, and if he couldn't, to kill him. He failed both. Otherwise, he was loyal. Axel is not a good or bad guy, said so himself in the novel to Kairi.

I like the fact that the other members left threw in his face on how he exterminated the members of Castle Oblivion because of their unfaithfulness, yet he can't touch Roxas while he was doing the same thing because he actually matters, compared to the other cooler members than him who deserved to see KH2 more than Axel ever did.

Hell, Axel is probably the biggest hypocrite in the whole Org. I swear I'm developing some kind of love/hate relationship with this guy. He's one of my faves, yet not.

 

Hmmm... good point. Scratch that theory then. Sorry. But I still believe in everything else I put!

 

Yeah. We don't even know what the others were. (except Ansem's apprentrices and Roxas) Saix could have been a crime boss and kidnapper. Luxord an illegal gambler trying to kill people who don't pay him. Marluxia sold illegal flowers lol. Demyx could have been a musician charged for something illegal and Axel could've been a school bully. I'm not saying they are. I'm just saying that's what they could've been before they became Nobodies. Except Roxas because he doesn't have Sora's memories.

 

Well, at least the first six were evil people trying to experiment with people's hearts. I mean, Xenmas himself kidnapped people, tortured them, and created Heartless, and all really for no reason. Eventually, he started manufacturing artificial Heartless, then giving them people to suck up so he could see if he succeeded or not.

The point is, these people aren't nice...

And, as for the other six (besides Roxas), UK and KH 1 is right, they could have been anything. But I think Marluxia would probably have been more of an assassin type guy...

Kind of off subject, but I kind of thought it was weird that they had the Nobody Assassin tied to Axel...

 

Well, Axel did assassinate other Organization members, and his profile says that he has a brutal fighting nature. But I think he's nice. :)

Sorry, anyways, maybe some of the members weren't bad at first(though I doubt that). For example, maybe Demyx was just a harmless musician before he became a Heartless. Then, when he became a Nobody, he became as close to evil as he could get.

 

Well, it did drive them crazy not having a heart.

Actually, when I first heard of Organization XIII, and how they were Nobodies, I immediately thought that they had once been noble warriors but were assaulted by the darkness and changed into evil beings.

Of course, that's before I met Luxord and some of the other bone-heads.

I still think Axel wasn't all that bad...I mean, sure he wanted his heart back, but who wouldn't?

Oh, well, at least he's back in his original form now.

 

Me too, actually. The name doesn't fit him really, and it doesn't resemble his power or weapon or name in any form. And they're purple somewhat.

I think the Assasins might have belonged to Marluxia, but once he got destroyed, those Nobodies were appointed to Axel's "care".

 

Good theory ^. I agree, Axel has his "evil" moments, but I think he's generally an okay guy. Those Nobodies don't match him at all.

 

His Nobody should have been more like a Nobody that would flip around the battlefield, throwing ninja stars at you or something like that. That would have been pretty cool.

 

I can relate with that. XD

BACK ON SUBJECT!!! XD;

Yes, I thought the same thing, too, and I still sorta do. I'm not saying they were all heroes and stuff like that - I mean Larxene doesn't exactly strike me as a person who would go out of their way to HELP someone...

But I do think that the Organization is diverse and got their members from many different cultures. The ones that WEREN'T already "evil" when they started out, got kinda twisted for their need of hearts.

If there WOULD have been a way to get them their hearts back, then maybe they would have turned back to normal, and turned some of the other members to the good side with them. =\

 

Yeah.To me,some organization members are not that bad like Demyx and Axel.Yes people,I'm beggining to like Axel now. Demyx can be a harmless musician who is a hypocrite and Axel can be a punk!XD