Suicide.

It's really getting on my nerves.
The majority of my friends seem to want to randomly die now and it's just...really annoying...

I'm sorry, but suicide doesn't do ****.
What do you think happens when you kill yourself?
Everything gets better and all of your problems go away?

It doesn't do anything but take you away from loved ones,
or people who can help.

I know that some people are depressed, I understand that.
But most people I hear about being suicidal are just wanting
to die for no good goddam reason.

"My parent's are mean." Deal with it and make sure to be out by 18?
"I'm stupid and don't get good grades." Then STUDY? Tutoring?
"I have no friends." Make some.
"People tease me." Talk to an adult about that.
"I'm not pretty." By who's standards?
"I'll never fit in." Maybe you aren't meant to. Make your own group of friends.
"Everyone hates me." The entire world hates you, eh?
"I'll never be good for anything." Says who?
"I have no talents." Find something you want to do, stick with it with determination, learn it, and there you go.
"There's absolutely no reason for me to be here." Oh my God, you act like you've lived your entire life before now and you KNOW that.

I understand that some people really HAVE these problems and it's very serious to them, but wanting to DIE over it? All of these problems can be SOLVED. There's no reason to die.

People have been numbed to death it seems. No one takes it seriously anymore. When you kill yourself, it's a big deal. You're ending your life. And if it's really THAT bad, it has to get better. And if it can get worse, step back and think about how bad it really is. You obviously have room to fix it.

I didn't make this thread to stop people from killing themselves. I had to rant. Too many people want to die and I'm beginning to think it's just a huge fad and I shouldn't give a damn anymore.

There are better ways to get attention, by the way, for the people who are just saying they want to die to feel like somebody cares. There are WAY better ways.

And I'm sure someone will find this offensive but I don't care.

Some people really are having VERY serious problems where it may seem like you HAVE to die. It may seem like it's really the end for you. For you people, talk to someone ELSE. Most people with this problem NEED professional help to even began to be helped. And that's fine! Get the help you need and stop trying to handle it yourself!

And then there are the people who just say it to say it. People who think it's fun. Grow the f*ck up. You worry everyone around you for no reason and it's sickening.

Anyways. If anyone took the time to read the whole damn thing, discuss. I'm finished.
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I took the time to read it and seems a little mean. I had a friend who wanted to kill himself but he didn't because I got people to be nice to him and all. The best way for people with that kind of problem is to kindly tell them to get help instead of just yelling at them.

 

thank you!!!! the only way to change is to support in a positive manner

 

A lot of people don't understand that though! Instead, they just yell and make the problem worse. I'm glad SOMEONE else understands.

 

of course thats all i do is touch peoples lifes everyday. ive lived in the light all of my life and im blessed in so many ways than one.

 

Untrue.
When we console and advise in a positive and optimistic tone, at points it could seem like we're just sugarcoating the situation. It takes something firm and incentive to stick in somebody's mind, and by doing that in a sugar-sweet way is not going to stop somebody from trying to do something as drastic as suicide.
Sometimes we need to put our foot down. Sometimes we need to lay the cards on the table and make that person truly realize what drastic effect he or she could beget onto others by taking their own life. And sometimes we would need to do this in a serious, aggressive way.

I feel it's the exact opposite, if I dare say so myself.

 

i dont think so. there is a certain breaking point. what if you push someone over the edge and end up making the situation worse?

 

What the **** do you mean by ("I have no friends." Make some.)?

If you don't have any friends then you may not be able to make them in the first place. Making friends is hard for someone who is depressed. Do you know how hard that is?

("There's absolutely no reason for me to be here." Oh my God, you act like you've lived your entire life before now and you KNOW that.)

Some people's lives are so ****ed up in the beggining that they don't want to make it to the end and there's no shame in that. No one want to struggle all their lives and go about it the hard way when they can just off themselves and be done with it.

If you don't like the way you're friends are then get some new ones and leave them the hell alone. Did you even take the time to ask them about their problems?

 

I can hear what you are saying. I've lost some people in my life due to suicide and yes, it's very frustrating. It's even more frustrating at times to hear people go on and talk about killing themselves for attention.

I take this as a rant that needed to be gotten out because anyone that's had to listen to people go on like this or see people go this route, well...it's bound to upset and tick you off after a while. Sometimes I get to the point with a couple people where I just want to say 'so go get a gun already' because it gets so old and grating on the nerves.

What is being said may sound cold, but it's not really. It's anger and irritation, so in other words, a vent. People taking offense to a vent really, I don't get why you are. We all get fed up with some things others do around us that seem so self-destructive and the reason why is because we care but can't do anything about it.

Having said that, I can't say in my life I haven't ever pondered the notion of suicide. My family background was very abusive and I had to deal with idiots at school who were bullies and it made me a rather angry person at myself and others around me. However, I got over the period, realizing that sooner or later I was going to be free of the parents and I learned to stand up to the bullies, so much in fact that I probably went overboard with my vigilante ways. xD In the end, I've made mistakes based on mistakes and it took some time to calm down and when I was ready I left home and made a new life. Suicide is the easy way out of things and also the empty choice that gives someone a dead end road. If someone is actually having problems and all, because I've been through enough in my life, I certainly can empathize and want to help them out. Life does get better as long as you don't set too big of expectations on things for yourself or others and can learn to let go of hate for yourself and others.

I sympathize with the frustration Pop Tart has and well, I hope you do feel better in some ways having said so. However, remember that different people handle stress differently. Sometimes they just are not taught or cannot think of alternatives and so others might have to occasionally be a voice of reason for those we care about. If they are going to press on though, they do sometimes need more help than friends can give. Then, things become muddled and the suicidal person starts bringing everyone else who cares down with him/her. This is when those of us on the other side of the fence need to think as to what our courses of actions will be and how deep we allow ourselves to be immersed. If you really care, as frustrating as it is, you know you are going to be there, whether you are cussing up a storm mentally or not. We can only hope we do the right things for people who are in this frame of mind and at the same time, later they are fine and get out of the mode and see that life is short as it is and there are other things to see than depression and the negative things around them that bring them down. Most of the time, people do get out of a suicidal thought tendency, fortunately, so whether I have to back away from the person for a while because I just can't tackle the situation, or I have to jump in and encourage them to live or find a way to get some real help, I try to keep hope that the person will be alright and someday look back as I do and say 'what the hell was I thinking?'.

As for the 'positive reinforcement' thing... Everyone I know happens to know that I don't sugarcoat much at all in life and yet an amazing amount of people come to me for some reason, asking advice or just want someone to hear their problems etc. I think there are more people out there that want -the truth- than they want things to seem all positive and such. Life is both what you make of it and what you do with what you've got. I don't think people should yell at someone who's delving in suicidal thoughts often, (or at all really because who listens to someone who's screaming and yelling much) but I will say that sometimes harsh and true words cut through some of the angst and pain better than kind typical words will. It really depends on the situation and what's going on. It's never good to just stereotype suicidal people, same as it isn't good to stereotype anyone really. Each case depends on the person and some of us out there just want what's real and to find purpose in that.

 

All I EVER do is listen to people's problems and try to help them. But it gets on my nerves when the same people say they want to die EVERYDAY.


What you guys don't seem to understand is that I'm talking about people who SAY that they're going to kill themselves just to say it.

Not people with real problems.

And yes. I do.

I didn't get friends until LAST MONTH. I've been depressed for a long time. It's VERY hard to make friends, especially when you're depressed.
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I'm really sorry that it sounds mean, I really don't mean it like that but some people don't even have real problems and it gets really frustrating.

I've lost a countless number of friends to suicide and I'm just sick of it. =/

I have a lot of friends who want to kill themselves. No matter how nice I am, they just keep wanting to die. No matter who's nice to them no matter what good things happen they just keep wanting to die.

Some people just say they're depressed for no reason.

When I suggest they need help, they get angry at ME for trying to help.​

Not always.
Not all people are that simple to help.
Some people seem to just WANT to be suicidal.
Like, it's an addiction.
Not because they want or need help.

Being supportive and positive usually just pushes some people to be even more depressed. Some people just want the attention.​

Thank you very much for understanding what I'm saying and how I feel.
It seems like no one really does.
It's just getting to me.

Everyday, someone comes to me saying that they want to kill themselves and that life just sucks and...I try to help but it's just really...starting to hurt.

Especially when you try and try and try to help someone and they STILL do something to hurt themselves. I can't take it.

I had to let this off of my chest. Sometimes friends can't help and when it gets to that point, I really wish they would go to someone else. Like an adult for professional help.


I guess I really have to just be supportive.
After like five years of doing so, I had to let this out. x.x​

 

Because making any form of effort to make your life worthwile is out of the question of course.

I agree with Pop Tart. Suicide used to be an exclusively serious matter but now it's too often being considered for lighter-than-air reasons which is not only annoying but also dangerous. I'm imagining these half-baked cases chewing at the reputation of suicidal people. What would happen if the serious cases aren't taken so serious anymore because a handful of lame idiots want to hang themselves after they stood too close to a puddle of sludge when a car drove by?

 

I agree with you. I know a number of people who say that they want to kill themselves for compliments and comfort. Somebody said something like that to me the day I found out that my friend had actually committed suicide, and I was so close to screaming "**** YOU" in their face.

The people who I knew who committed suicide never talked about it at all. In fact, they did their best to make others laugh. I now have absolutely no sympathy for idiots who prance around singing their false death wishes to the world.

 

Suicide is a very serious thing. Some people actually do kill themselves because people make it worse for them when they're trying to get help from people. If more people were nicer to people who want to commit suicide, there would be a lot less people who wanted to kill them self!

 

Sorry to disagree here but most people I've known who committed suicide, as well as other people who can say they've had friends who committed suicide... say pretty much the same things. The suicidal person is not talkative or certainly doesn't let on there is much of a problem. The person tends to be withdrawn and does not mention suicidal thoughts at all. This is the majority of the time.

The ones who cry out and such are still fighting and debating. Some are just drama whores. I know when I seriously pondered suicide I never told anyone until one day I blurted it out at my mother who was beating the crap out of me when I just told her to 'kill me already' because I couldn't take it anymore. Suicide is a self-absorbed and self-focused thing. It's not right to blame their friends and such. Also, friends can only do so much. If those people out there who proclaim they want to commit suicide all the time actually do it, in general it's because they were experimenting and botched.

 

i completely agree. this post totally explains and justifies how much of a TREND suicide and suicidal thoughts have become and it bothers me too. im glad someone else understands how silly it all is.

 

As far as I can see, barring serious psychological problems (severe depression, etc), suicide, or attempted suicide, is a last-bid attempt by the powerless to get someone to notice them and help them. The vast majority of suicide threats never happen, because someone notices the threatener and helps them, and a large portion of the attempted suicides are foiled or the person is saved after the fact because they don't really want to die - they just want (not in a bad way) attention. They want to feel like someone cares about them. It's not necessarily a bad thing, although to attempt it is a bit extreme.

 

I have to agree with Repliku here. People who do actually cry out to everyone that they want to kill myself just do it for attention; just to see that someone actually cares about them. Suicide, in my opinion, is almost never an option, but that doesn't means that you should ignore those who are seriously considering it.
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Some people do it for attention, others try to do it because they're bored & others seriously need help. I have sympathy all round for depressed people, Ive been there myself, so i know many things about hating life so much you wish it was over.

As for the people who do it for attention, dont pay any attention to them, they're ****ing losers anyway

 

The thing that's annoying is that people who do it for attention make it so that people who really need the help are hard to recognize now.

The majority of people who've been in my life who have killed themselves, you would've never guessed had a problem in the first place... =/

Just today we had an announcment that a student had commited suicide.

It's shocking, he was a playful and fun guy to be around.

I had no idea he felt the way he did...
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You also have to remember that it could be possible that person that committed suicide, could have been hiding his problems. Maybe or maybe not.

Suicide is a cowardly way of getting rid of your problems and it should never be an option. Those that actually have the thought of suicide and have a problem, do need help. But those that say they're going to commit suicide yet have no reason for it and are only seeking attention, might as well leave them alone. ​