Square-Enix Square-Enix= console whores

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  1. JedininjaZC Hollow Bastion Committee

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    As much as I love Kingdom Hearts there has been one thing stopping me from buying any new games:
    Square-Enix (SE) can't stick to a console for more than two games!!
    I'm not rich, so I can't afford to pay 200 dollars for a different console every time SE releases a new game. Why don't they make a game which can work on multiple consoles? They'd get more game purchases! So why do they still insist on whoring themselves to one company at a time?
     
  2. Arch Mana Knight

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    PS2, DS, PSP, 3DS. Those are the only systems you need so far.

    PS2 - KH, Re: CoM, KH2
    DS - Days and Re: Coded
    PSP - BBS
    3DS - KH3D

    So far it seems moderately reasonable. Though I suppose the DS could've been passed by completely and the two games could have been released for the PSP instead. As of now, Square has no reason to release KH3D on anything except the 3DS simply because the PSP and DS are just outdated now.
     
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    Your lack of the original Chain of Memories for GBA, the original Coded for NTT DoCoMo, and the Final Mix games is very disturbing. So it should have been.

    PS2: KH, re:Chain of Memories, KH2 KHFM, KH2FM+
    PSP: Birth By Sleep. Birth By Sleep FM
    GBA: Chain of Memories
    DS: 358/2 Days, re:Coded
    3DS: KH 3D DDD
    NTT DoCoMo: Coded

    What in the world are you talking about?! The DS and PSP are NOT out dated. Just because the 3DS and PSVita are out doesn't mean they are out dated!
     
  4. JedininjaZC Hollow Bastion Committee

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    Ah, but you forgot: Gameboy Advance, and cellphone.
    Regardless I think they could release KH games to multiple systems.

    Thou beatith me to the punch.
     
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    None of the extra systems matter since my list is condensed. You don't need a GBA or a phone to enjoy the series so far.
     
  6. Shikou Kingdom Keeper

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    Yes you do if you are like me who refuse to play remakes and re-imaginings of any shape or form.
     
  7. Guardian Soul hella sad & hella rad

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    A DS can play GBA games and honestly Re:Coded is definitely better than Coded since it's way more accessible. Most people can get a DS but not everybody can get a cellphone that is only available in Japan. I don't really get why people hate on remakes so much. If it's same story and the game has been improved on, then what's so bad about it?

    As for Square spreading the games over various consoles, you got to remember that Square is a company first and foremost. If they can make a better profit on one system over another, then it'd be the more intelligent move to do so, no? Plus games like Re:Coded and Days aren't big enough to make a decent PS2 or PSP game so it'd be better and less risky for them to develop for the DS which is cheaper and the console is still capable of doing a lot of things.
     
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  9. Shikou Kingdom Keeper

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    If that were true then I would have traded in my DS Lite for a 3DS unless Square puts the original Chain of Memories for virtual console for the 3DS then would consider it.
    Actually re:Coded was the only remake I can enjoy because I dont think you can get a Japanese cell phone to work outside the country.
     
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    Yes, and no. It would be intelligent to dedicate their efforts to one company for their games, but it is not intelligent to whore themselves to each and every company with little to no consistency system wise. Why? Well it shows the companies that SE is not a dependable company for long term deals, and it limits SE's audience to the upper-middle class. I think it would be wiser to make KH games which can be available on multiple platforms (PC+Mac too). More consoles= Bigger audience=More $
     
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  12. Guardian Soul hella sad & hella rad

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    I don't think you understand how video game companies work. Square is both a developer and publisher of games. They don't need another company like Nintendo or Sony to back them since they already do everything by themselves. They develop the games(or in some cases, a smaller developer will) and then they publish the games for whatever console they had it planned for. Games obviously have their niches and some will sell better on certain consoles. Have you ever seen an FPS game sell well on the DS?

    Multi-platform is expensive and in some cases, it can potentially hurt the game in the long run. Take Final Fantasy XIII for example. The director said that they had to cut out a whole game's worth of content out of the game. Why did this happen? Because they decided that the game was also going to be on the 360(which uses DVDs which don't have the same storage capabilities as Bluray) and they couldn't have one game be better than the other. Imagine how much bigger and more complete the game would have been if it were just developed for the PS3.
     
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    Considering the psp is broken beyond repair, it is. People still play it but don't expect many games.
     
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    WRONG!!! They cut out that extra content because they realized that it would just artificially pad out the game (and let's face it, regardless of if you liked the game or not, did you really want another 10 hours of hallways?). The reason the 360 version fits on 3 discs is because they rebuilt the engine from the ground up to be smaller with only minimal compression, not because they cut content out.

    Also, multiplatform really isn't that expensive. FFXIII is a bad example as they took a smart, but expensive approach to dealing with the space issues. Most games are built with space constraints in mind and, in fact, this is why most games are built on the 360, then ported over to the PS3 (as well as the fact that developers generally agree that the 360 is easier to work with). Yes, ported. It is very rare when a developer will rebuild a game's engine from the ground up for the other platform.

    Not to mention that the PS3 and the 360 are comparable in power (yes, I am aware that the PS3 is more powerful, but its really not by much) and the platforms that are actually in question, the DS, the PSP and the 3DS are not.

    However, your point about Square being a publisher is a good one as they are basically the Japanese equivalent of EA (or Activision, if you're feeling less generous).

    EDIT: However, to answer the OP, the reason why games like the Kingdom Hearts games aren't multiplatform is because the PS2 titles were released before Square decided to go multiplatform on such titles and the rest of the games are made for completely different systems with completely different capabilities.

    The DS is much less powerful than the PSP, which is much less powerful than the 3DS. Birth By Sleep would be outright impossible to do on the DS and 358/2 Days would be substandard on the PSP. Similarly, KH3D is beyond the PSP's capabilities and far below what would be even worth releasing on the Vita.

    You might make the argument of "why not just release a version with worse graphics on the DS?". There are a lot of reasons for this. Space constraints with the fact that DS game cards hold far less data than the UMD (the sole redeeming part of that god awful format), development styles as the differences between the DS and the PSP are like the differences between the Wii and the PS3, they're just not directly compatible and the fact that they'd have to build two completely different engines with completely different character models, animations, etc. Basically, its because the DS versions of the games would suffer and cost too much money to the point of not bothering.
     
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    Phone maybe not. But think of us poor souls out in Britain who aren't ever going to get re:chain of memories for PS2 and must make do with GBA? In fact this is the sole reason I bought a GBA in the first place, and it will be the sole reason I get a 3DS (when I have the money :S). If BBS vol2 comes out on the PSVita, I'll probably cry. I for one would love to see the games out on multiple platforms, to make it accessible to more players. Once you have the basic game done surely it can't be too much to convert it to work on other systems?
     
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