Birth by Sleep ***SPOILERS*** Major thoughts and a theory

Discussion in 'Kingdom Hearts HD II.5 ReMIX' started by Captain Hero, Feb 25, 2010.

  1. Captain Hero Hollow Bastion Committee

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    Okay, so I was watching the subbed scenes of Birth By Sleep on YouTube when the dialogue started clicking with what was happening.



    Skip to about 7:40. There is some interesting dialogue.

    Aqua: "Terra, you're there, aren't you?"
    Terranort: "Resisting again?"
    (Terranort struggles)
    Terranort: "Get out of my heart!"
    (Terranort stabs himself with the Keyblade)

    After that, the Guardian dissipates out of Terra. That's when things began to click in my head. Terra is struggling for control and it's actually TERRA that stabs himself with the Keyblade. So I began to think that when the Guardian came out of Terranort, that was actually Master Xehanort. I know this sounds farfetched, which is why I also watched the secret ending. There are a few scenes in particular that helped to support this.



    Master Xehanort talks about how the Terranort body should have been destroyed and fails to heed his control. Terra responds by saying, "This is my heart. Just as I control this body, my heart is my own."

    Think about that for a second. Terra just expelled Master Xehanort's control from his body in a previous scene. And now he's saying that he's in control of the Terranort body.

    What?

    Yes, my theory is that Terra is in absolute control of the Terranort body. Going back to that video with the Braig/Terranort scene, he talks about how Terranort really has lost his memories. Then he actually pieces together that Xehanort is no longer present amidst Terranort and it's purely Terra using Xehanorts name. Which would mean that Terra did everything from KH1 through KH2 of his own accord without being controlled by Xehanort!

    Now, let's refer back to the secret ending conversation between Terra and Master Xehanort again.

    Master Xehanort: Have you already begun to reside in another's heart?
    Terra: *silent smirk*
    Master Xehanort: Eraqus would be so disappointed in you

    Let's examine this for a moment. I saw that some people were speculating that Terra had taken in Eraqus' heart when that fight ensued. But how could Terra reside in the heart of a dead person? That only leaves one option. Riku.

    Think back to when Terra spoke with Riku. He told Riku that he may possess the ability to become stronger and the first step was being able to hold the Keyblade. Riku touched the Keyblade and in that instant, Terra connected with Riku's heart, another thing Aqua noticed when she visited Destiny Islands.

    Terra: I no longer fear the darkness. Even if my heart is consumed, even if my body becomes darkness itself. I will do anything, no matter what the cost. I only have one goal.
    Xehanort: I like your determination. There is still time. Little by little, we'll see who'll end up in possession of this heart. However, I am taking measures to carry out my own plan as well. And the seed has already been planted.

    They are clearly talking about the possession of Riku's heart. Still skeptical? Don't forget that Xehanort's Heartless took control over Riku in Kingdom Hearts I and led him towards the darkness. That leads me to believe that this conversation takes place during Kingdom Hearts I and the ending keeps flopping time frames.

    **EDIT**
    Just watched a scene from Re: CoM and another thing popped in my brain. Mickey was talking to Riku about how he's walking a path he didn't know. Light AND dark. He has both powerful light and powerful darkness in his heart, just as Ven did. Perhaps in the next major title, Riku is going to be the key to form the X-Blade...? Just a thought that came in my head.

    So, if this isn't clicking with you, here's the abridged version:

    Master Xehanort took over Terra's body.
    Terra's emotions transposed into his armor.
    Terranort was a combo of Terra and Master Xehanort.
    Terra took control of the Terranort body.
    Terra expelled Master Xehanort and took his name.
    Terra began his research on hearts under Ansem's name after stealing MX's name.
    Master Xehanort took control of Riku's desires and led him to darkness.
    Sora freed him from Xehanort's control, but darkness still resides.
    The Organization arises.
    Xemnas(who is actually Terra, if you're following) wants to awaken Kingdom Hearts to regain his(Terra's) heart.
    Sora gets a note from Mickey to "free them from their torment"
    Coded happens.
    ????????
    Kingdom Hearts 3.

    Now, this is a multi-faceted theory. If you have an area you're fuzzy on, ask and I'll go more in-depth. Otherwise it would take me ages to put it all in here at once and cover any arising question.

    Thoughts? Do you agree?
     
  2. AXBHikaru Merlin's Housekeeper

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    My only biggy with this is that, even though Terra expels Xehanort during his battle with Aqua, the normal Terra can be seen during this fight, but only in the weird room you go to, when the figure of Darkness grabs Aqua, but both do work together to attack the Dark Figure, which you said is Xehanort, albeit, Terra uses Xehanort's keyblade. And if Xehanort did get expelled from Terra's body, why is Terranort still white haired? MORE IMPORTANTLY!! How did Terranort loose all that buffness as a scientist!? Thats just my view on it, since I've played through the whole game.
     
  3. RockmanDS Destiny Islands Resident

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    Well, we never saw Xehanort with out the coat, so it's too soon to assume he's not buff.
    As for the whole Guardian team up attack, I think that MX launched himself at Aqua and managed to barely control Terra enough to make him attack her, but when she broke free of MX's grasp he briefly lost his hold over Terra, I say briefly becuase trying to do the attack with Terra I took to long, and MX regained control.
     
  4. Captain Hero Hollow Bastion Committee

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    Terra's is bound with the Lingering Sentiment and his armor.

    Because his body was changed due to Xehanort taking control, so it assumed that state when he was expelled.

    He's been researching the darkness that dwells in people's hearts for 7 or so years. Try not working out for 7 years and tell me if your body is the exact same.
     
  5. Ŧiмє Яǽрεѓ King's Apprentice

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    Wow...this actually makes a lot of sense. So the villain throughout KH1 and 2 is actually...Terra? I haven't played BBS, but I knew what happened in the end. Its only just now clicked.

    Could MX have been influencing Terra's decisions, even though he wasn't in control?

    So I guess that means that Terra and MX die after KH2. Unless of course there is some fallback third person who was also them. I wouldn't put it past Nomura.
     
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    Interesting theory. :] The only thing is...
    Doesn't Xemnas = the Nobody of Xehanort (Terranort)? I've always been unclear on this...
    If so, are we supposed to believe that the Terranort body is still out there somewhere. Moving on, if Terra's heart is in the Lingering Sentiment, and Master Xehanort was expelled from the Terranort body, who's heart is still inside Terranort? Then again, LS isn't canon.

    Keep in mind that my memory is shoddy when it comes to the major details of KH (aka who Ansem is, what Kingdom Hearts is, etc).
     
  7. Captain Hero Hollow Bastion Committee

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    Terra's heart is inside of the Terranort body. But his heart was being controlled by MX briefly. His memories and emotions are in the armor, which would give reason as to why Xehanort is so emotionless. My guess is that his motive for awakening Kingdom Hearts would be to regain his heart again and rescue either Ven or Aqua.