Kingdom Hearts Something weird about Sora... *Spoiler*

*MAJOR SPOILERS FOR KH1*

Sora loses his heart and becomes a heartless. Later on through the streanth of his heart, he returns to his real shape.

Now... obviosly when he turned into a heartless he lost his body, and part of his soul, as Roxas existed afterwards.

Now... Sora then regained his body and returned to his true form through the strenth of his heart.

Xehanort maintained the shape of his body through the power of his heart.

Now... do you think they did it through the same technique... meaning throughout the later half of KH1, and all of CoM Sora was really a heartless like Ansem the Heartless?

Just a random theory... tell me what you think please.

 

If that were true, wouldn't that explain Sora's darker ruthlessness in his personality throughout CoM? (And the whole fighting for Namine no matter what) Then when he merged back with Roxas, he ended up back as his lovable, clueless self. :p

 

He was dumber in CoM...

He actually got dumber as each game came out. Ironically, KH1 Sora was the smartest.... even though he had no idea what was going on at any point in the game.

 

You have to remember exactly how Sora changed back from being a Heartless, is even in the KH2 opening. It was Kairi. The only connection he has with Ansem/Xehanort", is that both their Heartless kept their sense of self. But other than that factor, Kairi's pure light (she's a Princess Of Heart, thus, no darkness) and inner strength returned him to his original form when she hugged him. Considering Sora was a Heartless for a time, Roxas got his body and a part of his soul (I'm guessing), but because Sora also didn't last long as a Heartless, the process of Roxas getting his memories was stopped, which is why the blond doesn't remember anything.

Sora wasn't really a Heartless, but more of a...half of a person, the missing piece being Roxas. The only reason "Ansem" kept human form when being a Heartless was because the darkness he posessed was so great, that he retained a body. It is fact that the more darkness you have, the stronger your Heartless will be (which is why there are Shadows, Neoshadows...).

 

But Sora only had one body... and Roxas evidentally had it... so I ask, where did Sora get a second body?

Remember, a heartless is only a heart captured by Darkness...

So, Sora created a new body, in the same means a heartless created a new body, only through light not darkness.

Ok... let me rivise my theory, he is not an actual heartless, but he is like a heartless... hows that?

 

Sora, being a Heartless for a while, still in someway follows the same process of when a person loses their heart, which is why Roxas was born. Is not that Roxas has Sora's body literally, is that, to put it simply, Sora's body and soul was used to give Roxas his own. You have to think back on the fact that Roxas's birth was special and different than the normal process of how a Heartless and Nobody are born, due to the events that occurred around it with Sora. It also ties in with Naminés birth.

Ansem Reports

Read Ansem Report #12. This the interesting quote from it:

Also, to get a another quote from Ansem Report #10 this time (which I would also like you to read):

Sora has his heart, his body, and soul, we all know that. So he's not really a Heartless, is more like he changed back. Basically, it was just a special, rare happening that went through because of the circumstances. Is hard to say.

 

So... Sora's case is so special no one knows how it happened... sounds like Nomura ran out of idea's on how to make it work.

 

well said... guess I'm not the only one who felt that way...

he kinda lost his touch by the end... <_<

 

Maybe we just don't see it. Since we already know that Sora went through the process of being a Heartless (though with a sense of self), and making a Nobody (actually, two, if you count Naminé) the only thing different was that:

1. He had two hearts inside him, and since one was Kairi's, both Naminé and Roxas were born out of his body and soul.
2. That he got his human self from being a Heartless after that was done.

Thinking back on the scene, if you remember, you can see Sora's body figuratively floating in the darkness, losing himself every second as he falls down. Yet, we can speculate that Kairi's light guided him home, making him get free of the said darkness, and that's why he changed back. My guess is that it was his heart (or his sacrifice), as that is your emotions, memories, basically, the main essence of yourself, and the figure of his body might've been gotten from that. Since in Kingdom Hearts, things depend on the person's strength and willpower, that might also have something to do with it. Though that's only my opinion.

You're right, there is not exact explanation, but we can take it as it is. KH has a lot of mysteries, and that's just one.

 

But where did the bodies come from?

How did Sora get a body for himself, Roxas, and Namine? I would have a hard time figuring out how he made Namine's body...

Is it like Genesis, a rib was used to make a woman for him?

I mean, its a plot hole... unless...

Sora used another body to make the nobodies, possibly a connection with Ven...

Or... he used his heart to make his body, much like Ansem the heartless.

I doubt even Nomura has this all figured out yet... we should call him!

 

I have to requote myself:

And Sora's body and soul was also used to create Naminé's body, because Kairi's heart was hidden inside him. While Roxas was born out of Sora losing his heart, and using his body and soul, Naminé was more of a special case. As Sora released the two hearts inside (one his, other Kairi's), his body and soul were also used to create Naminé, because Kairi's heart came out of him.

The body and soul are simply used to help Nobodies gain a type of shadowy shape/existence. Naminé, being Kairi's true Nobody and born from her heart, got her figure.

 

Heh.

Only you could actually voice such a confusing question. I have thought about this, and come up blank numerous times.

You also miss something. Kairi and Namine. We need to figure these two out as well.

Okay, time for my master theory:

A Nobody is a shadow of the body and spirit. When the body is swallowed by darkness, the darkness takes an imprint of the body, and makes a copy. The body and spirit are then lost in darkness.

For Kairi, she looses her body and spirit to darkness on the island. malificent gets her body and spirit back, but no heart, so she remains comatose. Then Sora releases her heart, and gives Kairi back her heart. Sora is lost to darkness, but is saved by Kairi.

Roxas and Namine are born...

Ah, screw it. i have just seen a whole lot of wholes in this theory!

I am only going to post it, so others can see my failed attempt. I will try to help craft someone else's theory, but creating my own is too difficult.

I have failed...

 

yes...i noticed this too...billions of times actually. Maybe Sora is the only other human besides Xehanort who can retain human form while being a heartless. I dont want to go too far off topic but i was replaying kh1 yesterday and when Sora got the keyblade, everyone either underestimated him or in Leon's case he seemed to be afraid..."Why would someone like him get a keyblade?"
Perhaps long ago, Xehanort had a keyblade, and he did some bad things with it because of his power to still be human in heartless form?

Anyway, I think sora and xehanort are a lot more related than we think (not family ties) but in terms of powers and abilities.

But then I have another idea. When Sora stabbed himself with the keyblade, we saw where all of the princesses' hearts went, including Kairi's. We never saw where Sora's heart went...Maybe the act of losing 7 hearts made Sora turn into heartless, not including him releasing his own heart...no one else in kingdom hearts, no matter how powerful has retained 7 hearts...yet. Of course this means that Sora forms a heartless with a captive heart (his own), which means that the human is not available which also means a nobody is present...So maybe all this time Sora HAD his heart...I hope that makes sense. It seems to add up.

EDIT: OR MAYBE!!!! I gotta stop, I know, but I just had an epiphany that seems a bit more plausible...maybe Sora, being the lovable idiot he is, released both his and Kairi's heart at the same time TO Kairi. That meant Sora had 0 hearts and Kairi had 2...Sora becomes a heartless, Kairi runs around with donald and goofy. Kairi gives back Sora's heart, making them even each with 1 heart. No, we didnt see a heart transfer from Kairi, to Sora but then theres that whole Roxas quote with him thinking that hearts are something you cannot see...

 

Yep yep. Exactly what I think. The only thing, was that Kairi dispersed the darkness around Sora, so he regained his original form, while still being a heartless... A special heartless that isn't consumed by darkness.

So, he's a heart with a form... he's a... heart... someth- dammit Nomura! >=U

 

No, Sora cannot be a heartless. He defies all the rules for them.

A heartless is a creature made out of darkness that eats hearts, and quests for the keyblade. It is darkness wrapped around a heart.

Now Sora has the keyblade, and all through com he does not try to eat it.

Also, if you take the darkness away from a nobody you get a heart. No body or anything else.

 

Heartless don't try to eat the keyblade, but they are instictivly drawn towards the strongest heart.

Since a Keyblade is a beacon of a strong heart, they are attracted strongest to it.


I ammended my thoery, Sora is not an actual heartless, but he bears simularities to a heartless. Meaning he is a heart without a natural body or soul...

And *TwilightNight* DiZ aka Ansem said that Nobodies
When a person’s heart is stolen, a Heartless is born with no sense of self, and the body and soul left behind gave rise to a Nobody.

So Roxas is actually holding the body of Sora. We know Sora's heart is special, we can assume Sora's soul is special... but he has the body of a normal teenager. He's not a DbZ character who can clone himself at will.


Also, the point I was making about Namine, is Kairi's body NEVER had anything to do with turning into a heartless, only her heart did, as it was released when Sora turned into a heartless.

Its all really confusing.

 

Spoiler Alert Again

Okay, this kind of wanders as I've been up a while and studying for exams. But it was too interesting to go through these and read. Here's my take so far on the situation. Also, SPOILER alert because I don't want to be bashed for not warning ahead of time. =:)

Sora, I'm pretty sure, is not a Heartless in CoM or KH2. It is Kairi's connection to Sora that changed him back from a Shadow. He had already confessed himself in that Shadow form that he was 'losing' his memories. So, the process of Roxas being made was already done. It's also why Roxas failed to gain memories of Sora.

Roxas himself seems mysterious and has some connection to Ven. I am almost certain this has something to do with how Sora survived, as well as the fact Sora gave himself to Darkness in a unique way. When Sora gave himself willingly to the Darkness to save Kairi, her Heart was released but Namine was formed at that time because of the Dark Keyblade being used. When he returned to go to Kairi and the group and she hugged Sora, it was the power of her Heart that restored him. Sora, by no means, had the power to get his own body back and was fading away with his memory before he got to her. He was also a Shadow because he did not have that much Darkness in him. He was no Xehanort/Ansem, despite what Axel pondered. It's very clear, since Axel never mentions Kairi really, that they do not know how Sora returned to normal.

However, I don't think he was 'totally' restored. Obviously, he and Kairi were not quite whole, missing parts of themselves. I believe part of Ven's Heart or Soul or something was merged with Sora long ago and we'll see that in BBS, or his Heart or Soul has connection to the Keyblade Sora inherited. So, Sora was showing, as others have pointed out too, various signs that were different in CoM and KH2, such as getting angrier sooner. Roxas also was very angry and well, worse than Sora at points, which suggested he had a portion of Heart. You can't be all over emotional like that and just be a 'simple' Nobody. In a way I think he was a bit more than they were.

Also, the Higher Nobodies come back with a 'body' which is made of Darkness and some element. Apparently, they retain their appearances with minor alterations based on the power of their will before they became engulfed in Darkness and were made Heartless and Nobody. Sora's Nobody was Roxas who looks exactly like Ven, so I'm pretty sure something is up with this and that's what BBS is going to explain. Sora was a unique case, and Axel did have a point being curious about it because as ICSP pointed out, he also got his original form back. What Axel doesn't know because it's before his time involved with the situation of BBS and he was not one of the original 6. I do ponder if Xemnas knew more, and am nearly sure he did, due to other spoilers I won't go into because it's not really needed.

As for Kairi and Namine, Namine was brought about, as said, by the Dark Keyblade. Kairi's Heart earlier went to Sora because even though she lost her Body, Kairi had no Darkness according to the thought that all Princesses of Heart do not. Therefore, to get Namine to come about, Sora had minor Darkness (enough to form a crappy Shadow) and he also used the Dark Keyblade. Because the Princesses of Heart did not have Darkness, all of their Hearts were returned to them and also they were used to make the Dark Keyblade, except for Kairi's. Because Kairi's Heart was in Sora and because he had some Darkness and the Dark Keyblade was used to unlock Hearts, these were catalysts, and Kairi's Heart went back to her. The Dark Keyblade dispersed, sending the other PoH's Hearts to them. Namine, by the Ansem Reports in KH2, was said to be lesser than other Nobodies because she was given less in her transformation. Kairi's Heart was only away from her or Sora's body for mere moments as her Heart returned to it, so Kairi was missing a part of herself but not much apparently. In a way, I almost think that Namine was mostly of Soul and that the memories of Kairi's former form and because she still had a strong link to Sora, as she demonstrates throughout CoM, her existence may only have been possible through that.

This is an interesting question to pick at. We may be at this one a while.

 

Maybe Ven's story in BBS will be longer than Terra's or Aqua's to show that his heart merged with soras...? (If what your saying is true...that would also explain why roxas looks like ven, but has a personality of Sora's and Sora's keyblade)

 

That might explain Roxas... but still leaves Namine totallly unanswered...

 

Sora only had his heart and Kairi's. The rest came from the keyblade itself.

Just wanted to point that out and let the rest of you continue the main subject ^_^;​