Birth by Sleep Since Everyone Else Is Doing It.... A THEORY!

Alright, i'll just go ahead and say this at the beginning.
I JUST thought this up, someone has probably thought it up before me or atleast something similar. I have hardly no evidence (how can one have a lot seeing as how this is about an unreleased game?) And this may even seem crackpot, but i think no matter what, i find my theory a hell of a lot better than the 'Ven is the older brother of Sora' theories.
So yes, i will be talking about Ven and the (dreaded) Roxas. and aswell as Sora, Xehanort, Xemnas and Naminé, consider that a bonus!

Alright, so i shall go ahead and say this, we only know of 3 Nobodies that we have seen their original selves (Xehanort, Naminé and Roxas) and this is what i'm basing my theory on.

First off, read this lovely passage from an Ansem Report.

Notice the bold will you. Now lets look at some examples! I do prefer pictures over talk.


Alright, the picture of Xehanort's colour was off a tad so i added a (crappy) picture above.
Anyways, lets point out the similarities shall we?
-Same hair colour.
-Same Hair style (though Xemnas' is longer and such (age can do that to yeah! :P)
-Same eye colour
-Same skin tone.
-Same eyebrows (lol)

By DiZ's definition i would say that there are only faint visible changes between Xehanort and his Nobody, wouldn't you?
Now lets take a look at Sora and Roxas.

Wow, not as many similarities between these two eh?
-They don't have the same hair colour (Sora has brown, Roxas 'blonde')
-They don't have the same hair style (Sora's downward spiky messball, Roxas swishy upwards/defying gravity thing)
-They don't have the same eyebrows (Roxas' are slightly thicker...)
-They don't have similar noses (Sora's is a bit more roundish while Roxas' is more thinned)
-They do however have the same eyes.

Alright, now here is where my theory really kicks in (I apologize as my theory is kind of all over the place, i might edit later to make it more clear.)

We know from Xehanort/Xemnas that the Nobodies are SUPPOSED to retain a lot of the same characteristics, but Sora and Roxas DO NOT. So here it is, my semi-crackpot theory.
A lot of people are talking about the Terra/MX combining thing and i think a similar thing happens to Sora, hear me out.
I think, some how (no idea really seeing as how we don't have the answers) Ven's SOUL (yes his soul) gets fused with Sora at one point (most likely at the end of BbS) and this would explain why Roxas looks so much like Ven and not Sora. We know that when the Body and Soul cast off it forms a Nobody.
So I'm thinking that Sora had Ven's soul inside of him and that is what Roxas was created from, which is why Roxas looks practically identical to Ven.
Okay this probably doesn't flow right because im not organized, but also consider this:
We know that Nami is made from Sora's B+S so if Ven's soul was also in there that might explain why Naminé also shares SOME of Ven's characteristics. (Nami, Roxas and Ven all have similar noses, blue eyes and blonde hair.)

So, in short, Sora has Ven's soul inside of him. Roxas is made from this soul and Sora's body. Nami is made from this soul and Sora's body. Sora likes to have many people inside of him XD!

(P.S. I'm REALLY sorry if this was hard to follow, i don't normally write theories so this was all over the place, if you have any suggestions i'd be glad to fix it up. Also you can bash this all you want but i probably wont care very much because making theories is all about risks right?)

Thanks for reading though! ^.^

 

Pretty good !
And yeah the theory could be right since in one of DiZ's ( aka Ansem ) report is written that the soul and
body form the Nobody.

 

Yeah, I agree. I've been thinking this too. Sora has had a history of carrying other's hearts with him (Kairi's in KH1), so why can't he carry Ven's?

But I don't think Roxas so much just looks like Ven. I think he is Ven. When Roxas starts getting memories back, and leaves the Organization, why would he attack Riku if he were getting Sora's memories back. I think he's getting Ven's memories back, and thinks Xehenort is inside Riku.

 

Good evidence. I believe he is Ven, not someone who looks like him.

I covered this in my thread (not the initial post, but one of the follow ups) http://www.kh-vids.net/showthread.php?t=38985

But didnt collect that much evidence. The pictures were a nice touch.

Oh, and Xenmas and Xehanort have different hair colors. Xenmas' is more blue. Wheras the picture you showed either shows Xehanort's hair as white, or blond.

 

That theory's all over the gaff.
you could be onto something though.
In BBS Ven is thrown off the cliff and his heart
is taken and his soul might have lied dorment in sora.
But on the other hand thats a bit predictable.Square Enix
would know that.

P.S: when you said "-They do however have the same eyes.",
Sora's eye's are actually darker.

 

Ah, interesting. Going to the spice Girls theory thread when it says that Riku and Sora are brothers,
when aqua catches terra in the KHll FM Secret Movie, Aqua was probably the last one to touch Ven before no one did, so if you put two and two together, you might get that Aqua, (if she is Sora's mother) might have trannsfered the Ven trait to Sora.

 

MY, the ultimant khsuperfan's ,theory...

I believe that the whole soul thing is a bit whacky. It could be true, but I don't think so.
I believe that Ven is the original of Sora, Sora is the Heartless of VEn, and Roxas is the Nobody of Ven.
Remember what Kairi's grandmother said:
"Long ago, people lived in peace, bathed by the warmth of the light.
Everyone loved the light.
Then people began to fight over it.
They wanted it for themselves.
And was darkness was born in their hearts (hint.hint)
The darkness spread,swallowing the light and many peoples hearts.
It covered everything, and the world dissappeared.
But small framents of light survived...in hearts of little children.
With these fragments of light, the children rebuilt the lost world.
Its the world we live in now.
But the true light sleeps deep within the darkness( hint , hint: what was Ansem and Xemnas searching for?)
Thats why the worlds are still scattered...divided from eachother.
But someday, a door to the intermost darkness will open (hint, hint: a door appeared to Ansem, and was never known why...)
And the true light will return.
So, listen child, even in the deepest darkness...there will always be a light to guide you.
Believe in the light, and the darkness will never defeat you.Your heart will shine with power, and push the darkness away.
Do you understand Kairi? Kairi!?"
A door within the deepest dark. thats what Ansem found. The door to the room of sleep. And as Xemnas finds the room of awakening in Castle Oblivion. I believe Terra is the original of Ansem, and Xhenahort is really just a Heartless, Ansem. Its only till later that he discovers it, in his experimants that "Ansemthe Wise", or as I believe Master Xhenahort, doesn't want Ansem to continue. He searches for his lost memory as Terra. And he knows where to find it. Ven is the true light, sleeping for eternity until one of his friends find him. He's the only one who can reclaim his heart, Kingdom Hearts. The only question really is;

Where the **** is Aqua during this period?

 

First of all, Great theory SImpression, with really good evidence to back it up.
Don't you think that having Kairi in Sora's body and coming out would alter the looks a bit? I mean yes, there could be the possiblity that Ven is actually inside Sora and that's why Sora has the Keyblade etc, but...

 

Quoting specifically: "...and thats why Sora has the Keyblade etc."
Doesn't make sense!
Then why would Roxas ask Sora:
"Tell me, tell me why he picked you..."
Roxas was refferring to Terra (if you've read some other theories, theres is a confident belief that Roxas and Xemnas had a Revelation that will be revealed in 358/2 days).
So, if Sora could use the Keyblade do to the whole Ven being a ka-soul like being to Sora wouldn'tve made any sense in that whole sceem.
But the appearance altering theory is interesting.
Maybe thats why he's got the black clothes in KH2?
Because the light has left him?

 

Wow this theory is really good. Beats mine by a long shot. But is there a chance that maybe Roxas could be Ven, I mean going on with what khsuperfan said there seems to be more evidenece of it. The fact that Roxas can feel emotions unlike other nobodies and I doubt the keyblade has anything to do with it. After reading the mansion theory it sort of felt suspicous that Roxas was born right in front of it. And then Xemnas comes and gives him the name Roxas and then says the new you. Why would he say the new you To Roxas.

 

Very good

Yep, thats a good one. I've heard this before, I think its possible, but I don't know if thats were the game is going. But i'm not necessarily saying it wouldn't happen, its just not very likely. But if Roxas IS Ven, it would be cool. But were is Aqua in this?(or her Nobody?)

 

I think that Aqua is the 14th member of the organization. I mean when Xemnas goes to the secret room and sees her armor, he says something then old friend. Could it be that Xemnas knows her from the organization or somehow he remembers Aqua.