Kingdom Hearts II Secret Ending Flaws

Discussion in 'Kingdom Hearts HD II.5 ReMIX' started by oblivionblade, Jun 2, 2007.

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Which Flaw in the Secret Ending annoyed you the most?

Poll closed Sep 10, 2007.
  1. Physical Attributes

    5 vote(s)
    8.5%
  2. Reaction to the Environment

    2 vote(s)
    3.4%
  3. Muscle Layers

    3 vote(s)
    5.1%
  4. Didn't see any flaws

    26 vote(s)
    44.1%
  5. Saw the flaws but didn't really care

    29 vote(s)
    49.2%
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  1. oblivionblade Destiny Islands Resident

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    I think that the secret ending to Kh2 final mix is pretty awesome on the graphics but is it just me or does it feel like there's no weight to the characters? I mean it feels like Square Enix didn't really care about Weight, Mass, Muscle layers, and Effect on environment which are all really important parts of making a good CGI film (according to my hours of watching movie commentaries).

    Muscle Layers

    Description: When developers are making a CGI film they usually start with a skeleton. They then start building layers onto this skeleton. Some of these are Hair, Bones, Muscles, Clothing, and Particles on the body (solid or liquid).

    Example: The Muscle layer is important because in a CGI film you are trying to cast the illusion of these characters actually being there. For example I was watching the Lord Of The Rings the other day and their was a huge cave troll stomping about and it felt like it was actually there because of the Muscles that where expanding and contracting as it stormed about the mines of Moria.

    Flaw(s) Found: In this video I did not see the muscles expand and contract. I have concluded that some of it was because of the armor but that still doesn't explain why they do not have muscle contractions in the places where there is no armor. Some places where there is no armor is between the collar bone and parts of the thy where there seemed to be only cloth.

    Reaction to the Environment

    Description: You can live without Muscle layers but you cannot leave out reaction to the environment! This is one of the biggest elements that is needed to cast the illusion of these characters being semi-real. This is a very important part of making a great CGI movie. It is found that usually the more reaction that your characters have to the
    environment the better the quality of your production.

    Example: Going back to the Cave troll in Lord Of The Rings I also found that this troll had a very big effect on the environment. For example when he would stomp I saw that bits of dirt and particles would fly away from his foot because of the wind that his foot caused when he stepped. He would also leave large footprints in the ground that lasted longer then those the armored Keyblade Masters produced.

    Flaw(s) Found: In this video I found several flaws that I was shocked to find. The First one that I found was that the armored people didn't leave hardly any footprints and that if they did in the next shot they would be gone which I assume is a flaw or that the find blew Dirt/Sand that filled up the holes. The Second flaw that I found was that when UKM
    (Unidentified Keyblade Master) was falling I saw that as someone watched below that the dirt that broke loose from the cliff never landed on them. The Last (and biggest) Flaw that I found was that the environment of

    Physical Attributes

    Description: When I talk about Physical Attributes I am thinking of elements such as Weight, Mass, Clothing Drag. These are essential elements because they help determine the way a character walks, Runs, jumps, and other important actions. For example if a character and his/her belongings are very light it means that he/she doesn't have to apply as much force as a character who is the exact opposite in the means of body and item weight.

    Example: I have to say that the Cave troll in Lord Of The Rings is probably one of the best examples of CGI animation that I know of because it has many of the needed elements that make up a good CGI scene. In the terms of physical attributes this troll shows more of this element then any other in my opinion. When the troll smashes a pillar it is showing weight and mass by the speed of which it does this and the force which smashes the pillar

    Flaw(s) Found: There was only one flaw that I found with this category and that was that they seemed to have avoided it almost completely. I mean when they ran it seemed too fast for someone wearing what seemed like heavy armor and the keyblades looked like they where too heavy to be carried with one hand. The only part where I saw this come into effect was when a character would fall and hit the ground with a large force like when the female Keyblade Master hits the ground and causes a crater. This would mean that the armor would be pretty heavy which still doesn't explain why they run around so fast

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    These are just my theories and I would greatly appreciated if you would comment on it using your opinion and to not agree to be nice but if you also believe that
     
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  4. kitty_mckechnie I want to hug you like big fuzzy Siberian bear!

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    I didn't really look for those things when i watched it. I was looking to see what was happening.
     
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    Me neither it was just things that bothered me while I watched it
     
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    The secret ending is a short video that tries to explain a concept of what's happening for the next game. If they didn't include all those flaws, I would think the secret ending was a preview for a Kingdom Hearts movie.
     
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    I think that they would have put more effort into it if they were making a movie like Final Fantasy Advent Children. Or in others words, they would have put that stuff in if they were making a Kingdom CGI movie. Besides, they look way better than the regular cutscenes, which I like.
     
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    I can see what you're getting at too. But, It's only a little movie to get you pumped for the next game. Besides, it's supposed to be hard to read, by the time you beat the next game it'll all be clear... and so will the cutscenes. It's really not something worth Square's time yet.
     
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    I honestly never noticed the flaws; and now even as you bring them up I don't really care too much about them. The secret ending wasn't supposed to look real; heck, Kingdom Hearts was never supposed to look real -- if it was, it wouldn't have all of the Disney characters. I like the Secret Ending fine the way it is -- good find, though, you're pretty observant.
     
  16. Alpha Sonix Why so asymmetrical?

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    I picked I've seen it but I don't care, it dosen't have to be real, it's a game.
     
  17. oblivionblade Destiny Islands Resident

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    Ya I see what you are getting at. I mean that it's just that if they are trying to make them look realistic then they might as well do a better job at it because I find them very distracting
     
  18. Korra my other car is a polar bear dog

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    Geez...does it really matter? It's a three-minute animation to get us pumped for the next game. It's not a full-length movie.
    Besides, the armor was well done, and I couldn't see any parts of the people that didn't have armor.

    I was on the verge of a coma because I was shocked by the pure awesomeness of it all.
     
  19. Darkcloud Word of advice: Let the wookie win. He's Chuck N

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    The only problem I have were the keychains: On 90% of the keyblakes, they didn't show them on the keyblades. The only time I recall them there was in the first movie on the Kingdom keys and the Path to Dawn.
     
  20. Korra my other car is a polar bear dog

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    ...What? There were like...BAJILLIONS of Keyblades in the movie.
    Nyeh, all this talk about the FM+ ending is making me want to watch it...*searches for it*
     
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