Scientist's theories?

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  1. Emo Pengwin Hollow Bastion Committee

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    PLEASE DO NOT FLAME ANYONE!


    Ok, I AM a Christian, so I believe that evolution/big bang/etc. isn't real, yadda, yadda. BUT, I do NOT try to tell people who DO believe it's real, that they're wrong. I'm not one of those people who's religion is ALWAYS right...there are even things in MY religion I don't believe in. But, anyway, I don't think evolution/big bang/etc. is right to teach in a PUBLIC school.

    For one, parents may not want their children to hear that kind of stuff, because thay say it's garbage. I can see where they are coming from...people being born from goo? An explosion form nowhere? Sounds a bit wierd, doesn't it?
    Now, you may say, "Well, if thay don't want to hear that, don't put them in the damn public school system!"
    What if the parents don't have enough money? I have a perfect example.
    My friend's parents really wanted to send her to a private school in one of the churches in town, but it cost so much money, that she wasn't able to go.
    So she's in the public school. Her parent don't like what they are teaching her in Science, but has has to deal.

    And then it's
    [sarcasm] "politically incorrect" [/sarcasm]
    to prove a scientist wrong.
    Bulls***!
    But, they have to teach it, because the "big money" scientists , who have created a false theory in some people's minds, but are the next Einstein to other people, haven't really come up with another theory to back one up if it's wrong.
    So you see these scientists always coming up with another theory to fix where they f***ed one up before!
    WHAT THE HELL IS UP WITH THAT?
    If you're going to have a theory, BACK IT UP!

    Sheesh!


    Now, I hope that I didn't hurt anyone's feelings with this, but I've been wanting to say this forever.

    Your comments?
     
  2. Soushirei 運命の欠片

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    Well, theories change as new things are discovered. Theories aren't meant to be preached as fact. Any student who takes these as facts are the ones making the mistakes, not the teacher/professor.

    If that isn't emphasized already in high school, just wait until you guys take (if you take) University science. The distinction of what's a theory and what isn't is severely engrained in each lecture. There's very little room for error unless you're a careless listener.

    It's not that they don't back things up, it's just that what might've been considered plausible at the time, becomes vetoed by a new discovery. Things change all the time--just like Christianity.
     
  3. Patsy Stone Мать Россия

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    I could say the same for religion in schools. I dont think it should be taught in public schools as its grooming children for later life.

    The science is taught because it hasnt been proven wrong and it makes sense. Also, if you have religion theres a thing called hearing both sides of the argument before making a life changing decision.

    Also, theories always changing is called PROGRESS. If someone is found out to be wrong they are challenged and their theory is changed/scrapped. Humans are imperfect so of course they are going to get things wrong. But we live and learn from our mistakes. Scientists are the same as those who follow religion. They are both on a search for truth and understanding the world around them. You have no right to bash scientists because the way you have brought up has made you so close-minded.

    LOL, you talking about backing up? I've yet to see any proof for God or the Bible being written by him through the disciples/assorted prophets, yet it is still taught in almost every school in the UK. Science has soo much more proof on its claims (and yes they are claims and theories, very little is set in stone) than any religious person has on theirs.

    I do not mean to flame at all, i just wrote my post in the same format as the original post.
     
  4. Wabba Twilight Town Denizen

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    Theories imply that the information may not be 100% true. However, often times, the information can be proven. I tried to get out of a test by claiming that I believed in creationism (which I do) and taking the test went against my religios beliefs. That didnt work; my professor told me that the test is on the theory of the big bang,a nd because it is theory and not fact, it does not conflict with religion. However, not to knock religion, because remember I believe in creationism too, the big bang can pretty much be proven. Here are a couple of examples. I am not trying to change your views, simply trying to show you why the school cirriculum might be swayed to teach this theory rather than religion.

    1) Moons. How did they get there? Giant chunks of rock dont appear from nowhere. When the solar system was forming, giant meteroids were banging into everything and one hit our forming earth and was pulled into its gravitational field or broke off a peice of our planet and it began orbiting.

    2) Water. Once again, how? During the forming, little snowballs (ice meteroids) were zipping around and they collided with our planet giving us water.

    3) All planets are moving away from a single point in space. Take a picture of the sky (one where you can see the andromeda galaxy or another star system) every year for 4 years. You will notice all planets move away from a single point. This suggests that there was a event which blasted all objects away from an area.
     
  5. White_Rook Looser than a wizard's sleeve.

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    Well since pretty much everything I wanted to say has been said, I'll say this: Unfortunately the theoretical stuff comes with the whole science thing. Everything you learn up until the whole Evolution VS Creationism thing started out as a theory at some point as well-- if you recall the discovery of the atom, people thought you didn't get any smaller than it, but low and behold we found electrons, protons, leptons, etc (three different structures, two of which were wrong, of the atom were also theorized).

    It's a tiny aspect of an entire lesson plan for the year, and if you don't believe in it, no one really cares or is bothered by it. The point is that you're there to learn and keep an open mind about the world around you-- that's what science and education, for that matter, are all about.
     
  6. AkuseruVIII Banned

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    I agree with the above statements about how even if it may not be right it doesn't truly mess with religion as it isn't preached as fact so much as what can be extrapolated from what we now know to be almost certain. Anyways no offense to anyone but I look at the bible as a literary work not a word that should be believed in unfailingly without question. After all many seemingly fantastic parts of it have been proven through science to be possible like the ten plagues. Also, why believe something so frickin' old. Some time ago the Earth was flat and you could fall off the edge in a boat and later it was circled by planets in crystal spheres now it is round and floats in emptiness circling the sun due to gravity a force that is existent yet mostly unexplainable. Which sounds right to you?
     
  7. Marluxia_loves_flowers Destiny Islands Resident

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    In general, I don't like scientists (long story) I say that schools shouldn't really teach that kind of thing, since it makes many people feel uncomforitable.
     
  8. Patsy Stone Мать Россия

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    Uncomfortable? the truth isnt supposed to be nice and happy. the truth is the truth. if what they teach is what is true thats all there is. you cant go "im not going to believe that because it makes me feel uncomfortable". but, i think people should be allowed to believe whatever they want, just as long as they dont stand in the way of progress or hurt me or anyone that i love or try to convert me etc
     
  9. Jade Rhade King's Apprentice

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    I'm currently attending public school after nine years at a private Catholic school. (Keep in mind I'm not Catholic)

    As stated above, "theory" means it has yet to be proven. It is being taught as a "theory", meaning it may or may not be true. If your faith is weak enough that something that is not proven can shake you that deeply, perhaps you should look to your religious leaders for another answer, not the public school system.
     
  10. Marluxia_loves_flowers Destiny Islands Resident

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    It can't be PROVEN, though. That's what annoys me, the schools teaching us stuff may not be true.(I find the school system in general to be highly flawed, but I digress.) That might just me being biased towards scientists.(btw, the truth is NEVER nice or happy.)
     
  11. Mirai King's Apprentice

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    Evolution is a theory in the sense that atoms are a theory (ever heard of the atomic THEORY?).

    There is a mountain of evidence for evolution. First of all, let me explain natural selection, the mechanism that drives it.

    Let's say we have an animal, An. Two Ans mate and create 4 babies (An1, An2, An3, An4). All but An1 and An2 have genetic mutations. An3's mutaion is stronger muscles to move faster and escape predators. An4's is that it's weaker, and therefore is in more danger. An1 is killed by a predator before it can reproduce. An2 survives out of chance, and gives birth, therefore gives its genes to its offspring. An3 escapes predators easily and reproduces. It's offspring has the same genes, and therefore survive. An4 dies quickly, so it's genes were not benificial, unlike An3.

    Now, let's fast foward a few hundred generations. The descendants of An3 have flourished and become stronger than the original An. An2's descendants have dwindled are in danger of extinction. They die out. Now, only An3 has survived and has now became much more different than its original blueprint. After awhile, it strays farther away from the blueprint because of its increasing strength, and has now become a new animal.

    If you have trouble understanding, please tell me.

    As for the big bang, think of it this way: Let there be light=Let there be a gigantic explosion of all matter.
     
  12. Wabba Twilight Town Denizen

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    Simpler explanation could be Darwin. On the galapagos islands, he noticed that a species of birds with smaller beaks had greater numbers then the same species of birds that had larger beaks because the smaller beaks allowed easier gathering of food that the bird ate.
     
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