Kingdom Hearts II Question about Namine

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  1. Always Dance Chaser

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    This might sound weird, but who's body does she even have?
    She was made from Sora and Kairi. It can't be Kairi's body, because it was laying unconscious in Hollow Bastion for a while. But then how could it be Sora's body? From my understanding, Roxas was made with Sora's body, and his current body is one that was somehow conjured up by Kairi.

    So how did Namine get her body anyway?

    And for that matter, where does her soul come from? It never seemed to leave Kairi, since a soul is "what gives life". Kairi was unconscious, but she was alive the whole time, wasn't she? And wasn't Sora's soul in Roxas? This is seriously confusing if you think about it.
     
  2. Boy Wonder Dark Phoenix in Training

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    Don't quote on me this, but I thought that Namine and Roxas were both born from Sora's body and soul?
     
  3. ^_^zexion's real wife^_^ Traverse Town Homebody

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    no thier not

    when sora reasle his heart kairi got up and tried to catch him when he dissapear but when donald and goffy told kairi to run behind when they run namine was born

    xenmas in kh1 final mix was in hollow bastion he found namine and took her to the organazaton 13 and roxas? i think he was in twlight town.
     
  4. Always Dance Chaser

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    Then wouldn't Namine go inside of Sora and not Kairi at the end of KH2?

    And for THAT matter, what is it with the whole Roxas and Kairi going inside of their other halves anyway? I mean the reuniting of the souls and heart i can understand, but how could the bodies merge with each other? Shouldn't the souls and hearts just go in, and the useless bodies would just lie dead on the floor?

    I want some explanations, Squeenix.
     
  5. Boy Wonder Dark Phoenix in Training

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    I think it's like this:

    Every Nobody is born from their True Self's heart, but lives as the soul and body of that person.

    Roxas and Namine were born when Sora sacrificed himself.
    Roxas and Namine were both born from Sora's body and soul
    Roxas from Sora's own heart
    and Namine's from Kairi's which was inside of Sora.

    Of course, Ven might play a part in how he was able to make two Nobodies, as well as Xion.
     
  6. Arch Mana Knight

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    Ven played a part in Roxas's creation/appearance. Xion isn't a nobody though. She's a bit of a container of Sora's memories and Roxas's powers. Poor Xion, she was never actually part of the Organization.
     
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    Naminé's not a body.
    She was produced from Sora's body, but that same body became Roxas.
    So she became something like a replica from Kairi's soul given form.

    Or so i aways thought.
     
  8. MandyXRiku4ever Twilight Town Denizen

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    thats how namine was made. the end. although xenharot brought her to castle oblivion or something like that but namine's not part of org. 13 she just helped them out at first then found ansem something like that.
     
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    Techincally if you go back and read Ansems (aka DiZ) reports it said that when he met Namine she had some memories of Kiari and resembled her traits. So technically Namine was born from Kiari. And I know what your all thinking, "Wait if Namine was Kiair's Nobody then how come Kiari didn't become a Heartless because that's how some people become Nobodies because they lose their hearts which later become Heartless."

    Well again, READ ANSEM'S REPORTS IN KH2!!!!! In there it said that Kiari was a Princess of Heart, a girl who was pure of heart that she gave out no Heartless but a lifeless body of her former self and when Namine was born she didn't had any of the evil traits to her like most Nobodies aka, Organization XIII which I don't believe are truely evil but are just confused and want to exist again so they just go out and try to get hearts from Heartless......Which makes sense I suppose at least their not killing people for hearts like the Heartless are when they hunt for strong dark hearted people.

    Anyway, why Kiari's heart reside inside of Sora was a mystery. I mean after Kiari phased through Sora's body in KH1 I guess it would make sense how Kiari's heart got into him. But it didn't really explain why all the other Princess's of Hearts hearts were inside of Sora as well. Maybe that would be explained with Ven on how why he and Roxas look similar to each other. Maybe Ven is something to Sora. Who knows! I mean why would he watch Sora and Riku on the beach of Destiny Islands for. But for long story short, Namine is Kiari's Nobody who carries a few memories of Kiari's past and was just manipulating Sora and Roxas a bit why they try to find their way to themselves.
     
  10. Umiyuri Papaeyra Gummi Ship Junkie

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    The other hearts of the Princesses weren't in Sora - they were actually in the Dark Keyblade (which in Ultimania is called the Keyblade of People's Hearts). Once Sora uses it to free Kairi's heart, it falls to pieces.
     
  11. Boy Wonder Dark Phoenix in Training

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    Uhh every Nobody has the original person's body. That's what they are.
    Ansem Report 13^
    Secret Ansem Report 6^If a person loses their heart, the heart becomes a Heartless and the body and soul fade to darkness (I think)
    If they lose their soul, they're dead.
    If they lose their heart but have strong will, the soul stays in the body and its transported to the Realm of in Between and becomes a Nobody.
    Without a soul, you're dead.
     
  12. Always Dance Chaser

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    A Nobody is defined as a body and a soul without a heart. So a lot of your logic here is faulty.
     
  13. WilliamTheWise Hollow Bastion Committee

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    Well I've heard about 2 theories regarding Namine

    1) Namine was born with the leftovers of Sora's body and soul once Roxas was born. This would makes some sense, considering Kairi seemed whole after KH1. But we thought the same of Sora and he had a nobody running around. But as pointed out earlier, if this was the case Namine would've fused back with Sora instead of Kairi.

    2) Namine isn't made up of any one's body or soul at all. She may not even be a nobody but something new and unexplained. While she's been called one for so long, that doesn't necessarily mean she is one. She does break a few too many of the conditions to be a nobody.
     
  14. Boy Wonder Dark Phoenix in Training

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    I forgot to mention. I agree with somethings along the lines of this.

    Diz himself said that she lacks most of the qualities given to Nobodies.

    I think she's a one of a kind thing. Maybe she is a Nobody, but the conditions of her birth make her a rare type. Every other Nobody belongs to one person (One can argue about Xemnas though) while Namine was made from two people and lacks the dark qualities of the others.
     
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    Just curious as to what other people think...

    Since everyone says a Nobody has a soul, does that mean it's incomplete?
     
  16. WilliamTheWise Hollow Bastion Committee

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    Yes, as it still lacks a heart.

    Well the soul is the battery of life in the KH universe. So you could consider a soul to be the power source of a nobody. Without the soul the body itself would be unable to "live". While a nobody is more complete then a heartless, having 2/3 of the basics of life in the kingdom hearts universe they aren't complete. In this universe the heart is like the inner spirit of a person. It would be closest to what we consider the soul in our world. The soul is what makes us who were are, but in the KH universe the heart takes this function. Without a heart, the nobodies are merely copies of their original selves. With these memories of they're past life they imitate what they remember. Since nobodies don't have a heart they are unable to be their own person.
     
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    I meant the soul itself. Sora and Roxas lived at the same time...so does this mean Sora was just made up of his "heart"? Does he get part of his body from reverting from a heartless?

    Kingdom Hearts can be rather confusing. A Nobody is the shell(body) left behind when someone becomes a heartless. So does the body go somewhere when the person turns into a heartless before becoming a Nobody? Roxas didn't wake up in the same area Sora became a heartless so his "body" must have traveled.
     
  18. Umiyuri Papaeyra Gummi Ship Junkie

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    Sora's body falls apart during the sequence and he vanishes. We have to assume that was when the body travelled to Twilight Town.

    Don't ask me where he got the clothes, though. :P
     
  19. WilliamTheWise Hollow Bastion Committee

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    Nope, Sora is basically just a floating heart after Kairi cleared the darkness surrounding his heart. His body and soul both went to form Roxas.
    The body does move.
    When a strong hearted person loses their heart a nobody is born. A nobody can only be born in a world inbetween the realm of light and darkness.
    A nobody can only be formed in this area because the light or darkness would destory the body. Even though Sora lost his heart in the light realm, his body and soul where moved magically to Twilight Town.
    Exactly
     
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    Ugh, I'm sorry, everything just got so complicated...
    xD!