Kingdom Hearts II Original life, Nobodies, and 'Chasers'

What if, in certain rare cases ((I.E.: Sora)) if the nobody meets with his original, they reform, and their hearts connect back into one body, BUT it leaves another behind again, since life is energy, and energy cannot be destroyed, just changed into another form

Now, I will go a little more in-depth

A few things for starters, that are undeniable, and already known

Unique events:
Kairi's separation of Heart and body

Sora turning himself into a Heartless

Riku's possesion, and separation from his body.

Creation of a Nobody:
When a person with a strong heart becomes a heartless, the shell they leave behind breathes new life and develops a will of it's own, creating a Nobody.
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Now there we have, three very unique happenings that could make a strong person into a heartless, and therefore a nobody as well. But, what happens to the energy held by a Nobody when meeting with their original? Since Energy cannot be destroyed, only recycled, It would have to go somewhere, while yes you can say "The energy from them goes into the original" But did you notice anything different at all with either Sora or Kairi? No. Therefore, I believe that lost energy from the Nobody's life formed into the 'Chasers' My theory here relies heavily on Riku becoming a heartless as well, and making a Nobody...which is neither proven nor known officially, only speculated.

now, I play off this part of Chain of memories:

Zexion: If you'd let me finish... The scent belonged to a very convincing
double. But I can't say much beyond that, since the would-be Maleficent
is no more. Our other visitor saw to that.

Lexaeus: Who is it?

Zexion: I don't know... But the scent was very similar to the Superior's.
Exactly similar, if I may say.

Vexen: Rubbish!

Zexion: Fact, Vexen. Now, what shall we do?

Lexaeus: Let us bide our time and see what develops.
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Now, TECHNICALLY they never do say 'Xenmas' is the 'superior' in CoM, we only assume it through KH2's fact that 'Xenmas' is the leader. My theory also plays on this possibility:

Riku's 'Scent' is identical to the superior's because, Riku's nobody is the superior at that time. Now, what happens when Riku beats Ansem at the end of his story? it cuts to him walking down the road in an Orginazation XIII cloak, but where did he get it? He met his nobody and merged with him-A 'Chaser' is born.
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In Kingdom Hearts 2: Sora meets Roxas, and they merge together- A 'Chaser' is born
Kairi meets Namine, and they combine- A 'Chaser' is born.
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We know the chasers are two males, and one female, In my opinion, one does look like Roxas, because its the body he left behind when his soul merged with Sora, one looks like Kairi/Namine with Platinum hair, and the other has the same eyes that Riku had, look at his eyes, they are a bright blue much like Riku's....so, these 'Chaser' characters are not Sora/Roxas Kairi/Namine and Riku/??? but infact the Energy left behind from the Originals and the Nobodies meeting.

 

in some very weird way...that made sense

 

It's an awesome idea, I helped think it up with him, too. :D

I agree, there's a lot of holes that fit in nicely with your theory, Arc. :)

 

well yeah, but every theory has holes. That's why they're theories and not facts:D

But why wouldn't the energy come with Roxas as they merged? Like the energy belonged to Roxas so why wouldn't it go with Sora (what is with splitting into different identities in Kingdom hearts?)

Nice theory guys. Never would have thunk it

 

i get it and it is a good idea but i dont necessarily agree with 100% of it but good any ways

 

I think this one has a better chance of happening than a lot of other theories ive heard of

 

Thank you, I'm glad you think so....that was what I wanted...something that made enough sense to be implementable to the storyline...Thank you...

 

Your theory is interesting;

"With the combination of the Originals and their Nobodies, a Chaser is born from the lost energy of that fusion"

It might work in the case of Sora and Kairi where the Chasers do have a resemblance to them but for Riku, I do believe the physical traits are far too different to compare to him.

Moreover, it is mostly speculated that all that happened in the past as th secret ending potrays scenes that of the Keyblade War, Memory of Xehanort (along with other phrases) etc which is all in the past while your theory is set in the future. Thus, why do you theorised as such?

Of course, I'm not denying that your theory is feasible but please clarify my critics, I would love to see your explanations.

 

There has been no 'official' remark of it being in the past for starters, its just whats been assumed by the fans. Also, the main reason I said the third could be Riku's was because of the eyes, I know its nearly not enough, but it would make sense to pair that trio of chasers together. Also, when you anagram Xehanort, there was only one real word that I personally could derive- ANOTHER, now I could be wrong, but also I used another realization that this was all in the future which was:
KH1 you fight 'Xehanort's Heartless'
KH2 you fight 'Xehanort's Nobody'
so wouldnt it only make sense to fight Xehanort's Original or something? He IS wearing the clothes that 'Ansem' wore in KH1 after all. I found that an interesting note. I could be looking into that a bit too much, but I dont think so at this point...[

If I missed anything, tell me and I will respond again, but I think I've covered your questions ^^

 

Well thought out, I like your idea. It seems like it could work out. Nobodies combining with their originals, creating another being known as the 'Chaser', it definitely has a Kingdom Hearts feel to it. Also, Riku's going on's and story is still mysterious, as to we don't know all thats happened to him. He wields the power of darkness and controlled the Heartless, well those are some good conditions to infact become a Heartless himself. He then could of become an original again, met his Nobody after CoM, and obtained the Organization XIII cloak like you said. (Could Mickey have done the same?)

Xehanort's Original as the next main enemy, will of course most likely happen. Certainly if one can have a Heartless and a Nobody that are main villains, then the Original should be villain-worthy. But if in Kingdom Hearts I, we faced Xehanort's Heartless, then shouldn't fighting the Original be before Kingdom Hearts? Unless of course Xehanort found some way to separate himself, and leave part of himself behind just incase?

 

Exactly, we just dont know anything about whats happened to Riku, one thing is certain though, neither Riku nor Mickey are willing to talk about what happened to them, which brings up more curiosity.[/quote]

Well maybe his heartless and nobody were created differently as well this is my idea:

'Ansem' in KH1 says he discarded his heart, perhaps it was literal, he separated his true body from his heart, and THAT created the heartless/Nobody, leaving his original body still?

 

That's a nice thought, but I seriously doubt Riku actually became a Heartless, and, as Kairi's case taught us, one does not need to become a Heartless to obtain a Nobody. With Riku, him having a Nobody wouldn't be definite, but it's possible. His heart did leave his body when Xehanort's Heartless took over. When that Heartless disappeared, we're told Riku's body met him on the other side of Kingdom Hearts in the Realm of Darkness. But we don't know what happened during that transition. So maybe he does have a Nobody.

Also, the new translated cutscenes from KH2FM prove that the Keyblade War happened in the past. (Zexion and other Organization member were talking about it.)

 

The whole Kairi business is strange anyway. We're told that when the heart is seperated from the mind and body, they go to Twilight Town to form a Nobody. However, when Kairi's heart left her body to seek shelter in Sora's body, her body did not go to Twilight Town, we see it after in Hollow Bastion, and it's unchanged. And when she retrieves her heart, her mind returns as well. So what happened, were Namine's body and mind created from scratch ? Same goes for Sora ; I understand Namine and Roxas are unusual Nobodies, but it's not logical, since Sora's and Kairi's body and mind returned to their original state, yet Namine and Roxas continued to exist.

As for Riku, are you sure his heart was seperated from his body ? The way I saw it, his heart was still in his body, along with Xehanort's, slowly drowning in the darkness. If he's supposed to have a Nobody, the same problem goes for him.

 

It's not definite that what we saw was infact the keyblade war they talk about, It could be a recurrence of history, remember the words 'One story said the wielder of the keyblade saved the world, while another says he brought ruin'? what we see with the 'Chasers' could very well be a happening of history repeating.


This is why it's merely a theory, not perfect but feasible all the same ;)

 

I managed to finally beat Reverse/Rebirth earlier today on Re:CoM. Well, after your final battle with Riku Replica, you meet up with Mickey and DiZ in Castle Oblivion. I have no idea what was discussed, but during the scene DiZ hands Riku an Organization cloak. Riku looks at it and gets a feel for it, then he and Mickey walk off, (Riku with the cloak in hands), to battle Ansem.

So that rules out the mystery of where Riku got his Organization cloak, but it still does not tell all of Riku's story.

 

Arc!
That IS THE BEST! Explanation, Ive Ever Heard For The Chasers.
It Makes Perfect Sense!
And Ill Bet A Grand On You, That Everything Youve Said, Ends Up Being Right!:D :D :D :D :D

 

Hmmm...I agree with you on the part where it seems illogical that Naminé and Roxas continue to exist, but I know Naminé was not built from scratch...When Kairi's heart transferred to Sora, it remained there until Sora stabbed himself with that dark Keyblade thingy. When his and Kairi's hearts were released, I believe that's when Naminé was formed, she belongs to Kairi's heart, yet she was formed off of Sora's body. So Sora's body formed two nobodies...So in a way she is Sora and Kairi's nobody...And that explains how she is able to manipulate Sora's memories in CoM and those who are close to him.

As with the Chasers, I always thought that Chasers were formed from the soul of someone. (I can't remember where. but I remember reading something that said that a person had three parts to them:body, heart, soul) So when someone loses their heart, the--

Heart = Heartless
Body = Nobody
Soul = Chaser

I do not believe my semi-theory on chasers is true, for much of it has no evidence to prove it...But I do believe you, Arc, have proven some good points there.

 

wow. Very Convincing.

As for what I think the baldy is, here:

In Kh1 you fight Xehanort's heartless; in KH2 you fight his nobody. Wouldn't it make sense for in the third game to fight his Chaser? I do not have proof that xemnas ever met with xehanort himself, but xehanort's heartless was created in a different way, much like Sora's and kairi's. Xehanort's heartless was the first heartless. Who's to say that with the birth of Xehanort's heartless, xehanort himself perished? I do not think he did. With that being said; look at the voiced scene "An Old Friend". At the end, look at the crumpled body next to the keyblade. I beleive this is the original Xehanort. Xehanort-x=Ehanort. Ehanort=another. The body could be that of the original xehanort, distorted by his own experiments as well as meeting his own heartless and nobody. This could have created a VERY powerful chaser: A.K.A-the bald guy. AS for the keyblade next to him, Xehanort could have been the first keyblade weilder; This is still a mystery becuase nobody knows about what xehanort did before becoming Ansem the Wise's apprentice, becuase he showed up with no Memory.

IDK.

Its just a theory.

 

A new interesting thing, though I wouldnt bank any of it being related necessarily to my theory posted here:

in the FMV An Old Friend, the twisted body that layed on the ground had a keyblade beside him, take a look at it, and then go look at the bald man in the FM+ special ending(cant call it secret since internet has ruined that). If im not mistaken they look somewhat similar

 

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f290/Saltyaj/connected.jpg
Like that?

I see.

As for the crumpled body, look at my previous post right before it for what my explanation is.