358/2 Days Oh yeah. I think this could be a winning theory folks!

Does anyone remember how Nomura said that the fourteenth member did not change the org's name to Organization 14? Well I have a theory.

In COM, it is only referred to as "the Organization" Never "Organization 13". I suspect this is because at first it was just a collection of nobodies yearning for hearts. Then Roxas came along after COM. He was member thirteen, and he offered hope. Being a keyblade wielder, he was considered the main point of the plan.

As the org was a group of nobodies searching for hearts, they gave themselves a name related to their weapon. Organization 13.

When Roxas left, they kept the name 13. I suspect this is because they still considered Roxas the key. Just that Roxas was in Sora. They saw no difference between Sora and Sora X.

To support my theory, the org lost members. They did not change their name down. They stayed 13. I think that this references Roxas, number 13.

Thoughts please!

 

Roxas was already a member of The Organization by the time CoM took place, so your timeline is a little off, if this is the case they would have already been calling themselves Organization XIII when Sora got there.

 

No, he can't have been.

Why? We suspect the name of Days is related to how long he spent in the org. We know this is a year, minus the days in TT. Sora slept for a year and Roxas woke up at the end of that, and Sora only went to sleep at the end of COM. Thus Roxy must have joined up at the end of COM.

 

Wrong.

Remember why Axel was so interested in Sora in the first place during the COM events. Also, remember that one quote he said about Sora:

"He's partially one of us."
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For a brief moment when he met Sora in Twilight Town, Vexen said "the other side of his heart remembers this place". You know that Sora had never physically set foot in Twilight Town before arriving in Castle Oblivion. And the only person who could have was Roxas. Not to mention that the rooms in Castle Oblivion were crafted by Sora's heart.

You know the story with the other half. Put it together.

 

In CoM, Roxas was in the organization...Roxas was born as soon as Sora's heart left him, which happened way before CoM started...so your theory is a good one, but its not valid because it doesnt match up with the story...

Also, Roxas was never used as a "weapon." Its true, Roxas was used, but so was every other org member (besides Xemnas). The only "unique" thing Roxas had was that he weilded light...which didnt make much of a difference to the organization, because shown through kh2 events, they could kill heartless (and nobodies!) too. <<<< with that being said, im implying the keyblade wasnt a "special" weapon.

Finally my own theory: "Member 14" wasnt actually a nobody...My idea is that the 14th member is the "Aqua equivalent" to the "Lingering Spirit"
True, a soul ("spirit") with a body, but not a nobody.

 

Then we need a new theory for the title, don't we? After all, Roxas joined before COM, and Sora went to sleep at the end of COM.

 

No, this is what REALLY happened.

The Organization has a party in Castle Oblivion, generally playing games, drinking, etc. Sora crashes the party and most of the Organization runs away like little girls. The homo member of the Organization, Marluxia, seizes control of the castle. Sora slowly starts losing his memories but kills most of the Organization. Marluxia is seriously ticked off so he tries to fight Sora with his weak "flower power". He fails. Miserably. Back in the World that Never Was, Xemnas decides to name the Organization "Organization 13" because of their bad luck. The number 13. Who seriously loses to a kid that has most of his memories drained? Roxas joining is just a coincedence.

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Naww, that story there was a really stupid joke. I like your theory! :satisfied:

 

But my theory has been disproved.

Either that, or Roxas wasn't fully inducted during C.O., thus the reason for being org XIII would not have occured.

 

But Roxas is in the game as well as the 14th member. Therefore, that cannot work.

 

well the 14th member came in as roxas left then 14 would be really "13" one theory I mean if you count it like that nomura might have said 14th just because 14 is newly announced unlike the other 13 original members since the game has been released 14 could have a different rank.

remember the new cutscenes in FM+ when the orginization is only a couple of members big they send out guys to find new nobodies to join them so once they had 13 members that could be the base members.. on the other hand 14 could not even be considered one of them kind of like not either trusted fully of a rank thing as above because the nobodies if you look at them all have a heiractical order

 

Even though there were fourteen members, that doesn't mean they had changed the name. Just like when the Organization members at Castle Oblivion had died, they didn't necessarily change their name to "Organization VIII" because of the losses. Plus the 14th member was only there for almost a year. That is somewhat of a short time.

 

Well I have a problem for you.

If Roxas joined prior to castle oblivion, then it is impossible for the name to be what we think, As Sora slept for exactly one year, and he only went to sleep at the end of COM.

Therefore if your theory is correct, then we need a new theory for the name, if not, mine holds.

The stuff about Sora's other side could have been before they fetched Roxas, right?

 

Were you asking me or Gaiachild?

 

But, Roxas was the Organization member at that time, it's just that he didn't make an appearance in the game until the end.
So...I guess that may explain a little. Your theory still makes sense in some ways.

 

Roxas is in the entire game.

 

In Chain of Memories? I have never seen him in the game. Except his one appearance....oh well.

 

I was asking you, What?. (Everytime I put that question mark with that period, a bit of me dies inside.)

My question was, if my theory cannot be correct because Roxas was already in the org at the time of C.O, and my theory relies on the fact that no one says "Organization XIII" only "The Organization", then how can the theory about the name of the title be right? the year countdown started after Sora went to sleep, as he slept for a year.

That is my one query.

 

Hold up... Are you trying to say that Roxas is 14? Your theory is confusing. But I'm pretty sure that 14 is a girl. That's what I heard. Whatever. Don't even reply my small brain can't handle it.

 

Uh...

I am saying that No. 14 does not change the org name to 13, as the reason the org was called 13 was because of Roxas. He was the keyblader, and the key of destiny, or rather, the key to their hearts. The org was not named for the members, but rather the cause.

To support my theory, in Castle Oblivion, the org was only ever called "the organization" never "Organization 13". This is due to no Roxas at that point in time.