Birth by Sleep Nothing is what it's seemed????

I have a theory and mini theories that have alot of evidence behind them.I think that Xemnas had a primary plan and it wasn't Kingdom Hearts.The other founding members had another plan which is currently unknown to
me at the moment.I think that Xemnas ditched once he reached kingdom hearts in this cutscene: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_gnCaaX3QY
Once Riku's was hurt in the data explosion in this cutscene:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3aBVqOFUao&feature=related
The part of Xeahnorts heart that resided in riku (Not his darkness) was realised into kingdom hearts Xemnas got his heart back and put a clone to fight sora just like in there first battle.

The reason why i think this is because after you defeat Xemnas in TWTNW,In disney Castle
Terra turns up.Here is the cut scene:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWJOpSAFIgk
The weird thing is what he says in this cutscene at 00:50 he says "I can feel it...we have met before" "No...It isn't You" "Why is it not him".Then in 01:48 he says "What i sensed in you is...".
I think i know what all of that means.When he says stuff from 00:50 he means the picture i'm about to show you: http://www.jeux-france.com/Webmasters/Images/61171120070926_104720_2_big.jpg
On the middle Left you see sora vs Riku i think that is where terra chose riku.Once riku chose the darkness sora was chosen by the Keyblade,Clearly disobeying it's former master because riku chose the Darkness.

Ven was surprised that (maybe)his Brother(/maybe),Sora Received the keyblade because in this cutscene: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jIV1uaVAcIk
At 01:12 he says "tell me..." "tell me why he picked you" then when he see's sora fight at 01:46 he says "I see...Thats why".When riku didn't get the keyblade that terra had he gets the one destined for sora,The one Ven owned.

I think Xeahnort knew something about the past before he became terra because in the following scene:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygl0gIDPPt8
He says at 03:29 "It's been along time..." "My friend" to vens old armour and his appartently reconstructed keyblade (at 03:40) meaning he might actually know something about the past and who he is.

I think his Primary goal is to bring back his friends because in this cutscene:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umeJMXmg5CM
at 04:03 Xigbar says "With the "Room of Sleep" comes the "Room of Awakening" "The other place." "This is what he is seeking" "That room,which was not made by Xemnas" "Perhaps that is where..." "the other..." "friend" is" Which is in referance to Xemnas in the previous cutscene while he is talking to ven's Armour and his armour in the "Room of sleep".

This cutscene also proves the founding members of the organisation knew more about Xemnas then Xemnas himself primarily thought because Xigbar also says at 01:56,"I just want us to have a little funny talk..." to Zexion and says"About, say, Xemnas' secret" "How many years ago was it..." "People with the Blade of Keys started to appear..." "and fought great battles" "When they were gone,a man who lost his memories appeared" "Xemnas no..." "Xeahnort was taken in by ansem around that time, was he not?".This suggests that they know alot more than Xemnas thinks and the way he ask's zexion about the subject suggest's that he knows more on the subject then the rest of them.It seems that it's all very confusing and i'm working on more theories and prove of this theory. One subject i'm working on is the relation between sora and ven.I am certainly following leads on this subject.

Please leave your comments on this theory.Any praise,any flause or any questions.

 

that isnt , ven's armor is aqua's , wich leads me to believe ,that perhaps he actuallly found aqua and somehow she turned into a nobody ,and she's the member number 14 ,and she is connected to roxas,because he has some connection with ven, and aqua also has a connection with ven(358/2 days) and that in the "other room" they mention ,he hopes to find ven?

but ,perhaps sora's heart was fused with ven's ?, i can only think that when ven gets freezed he has no more hope and somehow gives sora part of him? ,i think they are somehow relatives, or maybe sora and terra?

but i dont understand, why is it that xemnas appeared around the same time when xehanort was made an apprentice?

i guess i make some sense, the room of sleep, the room of awakening and the other room.......the room of birth?

 

Im confused... its sounds like it might make sense. Maybe if you explained it easier... like in an outline!

 

Did anyone besides me start to hear the change in Xemnas' voice when he talks about Ansem the Wise? He starts to sound an awfully like Xehanort.

 

Thats because he has Xehanorts memories.

 

I hate how Xemnas talks...like hes going 0.4 miles per hour.

 

I see what you mean here but I think Roxas is asking why did DiZ pick Sora to stop the Organization.

 

I doubt that. ^^ I thougt he was asking whoever picks the keyblade masters why he picked Sora, then I thought the camera looke like it was set on Riku's face. And thats why Sora got it, cause Riku's heart wasn't that strong at the time.

 

X-Breaker!!! *Shattering Glass is heard.*

Having evidence is one thing. Having evidence that supports your theory is another~.

We know this. He wanted back his memories.

Yeah, helping Xemnas get back his memories.

Ditched? Is that moonspeak for "Continuing with your plan til the very end"? You do realize all nobodies instinctively feel the need to be complete, right? 'cept Roxas, cuz he thinks Sora's a sap. *bricked*

Destroyed? Hardly, else he wouldn't be the twilight wielder anymore, now would he? The most I'm willing to give with regards to that is 'forced repression'.

... Durr? Couldn't it be that Xemnas was just that powerful that he could use clones? I mean, Larxene can, and she's a b- I mean, lower ranked member.
Don't see what this has to do with Terra though, seeing as the Final Mixes made you beat the game to fight the spoiler boss IIRC.

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Terra was friends with Ven, who looks like Roxas, who looks like Sora. Make sense now?

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Um, what? I'll let this go for now because I keep getting all sorts of errors trying to load that pic. =.=

... Uh, he wanted to know why Axel chose to die for Sora and not him. You did watch the additional Final Mix material regarding that right? Where Xemmy said that Roxas came back because of Axel's death, and Axel and Roxas made peace at the clock tower?
Not seeing your point. o_o;

... Ugh, this is heading toward another Terra is Xehanort debate... I'm so not in the mood for another of those. -_-;

Sadly, I'm going to have to call this unintelligible gibberish that leads to no conclusion, and is therefore automatically moot. Of course the other apprentices knew more about the past than Xemnas. They kept their memories remember? What they didn't know was what happened in Xemnas's past. That's why they even bothered to continue the experiments back when they worked for Ansem the Wise.

Either way, I still don't really see what your theory is trying to prove that we didn't know already. You might wanna revise it a bit. =.=

 

I'm tired of those too... and I believe Terra is Xehanort.

I think this guy might have something. If only he explained it better.

Your heard me, explain it please. :poke:

 

And I believe Ven is Xehanort. lol. I mean the whole "Ven's Identity + Xehanort's Memory = Birth By Sleep" has been nagging at me for a while.

Well, it's either him or the DS. *bricked*

Please, for my benefit also, explain it Daxma.

 

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And I will help, because the power of Skeith compels me. *murdered*

<.< Actually I just like objecting to things. *points at sig.*

 

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It's vens broken armour because at the side of the armour you see Vens apppartently, reconstructed keyblade.

Excuse you but There are formless and formed nobodies.Formed nobodies don't nessisarily follow on instinct and anyway i explained he goes up to Kingdom hearts and talks to it.I think he becomes complete there.Next time do your research on nobodies and listen.

I know that and i've explained that.Read it properly.

There is a primary theory and alot of Secondary theories.

P.S: Dredica stay on the subject.Your constantly going off the subject.

 

You should look more at the FM+ ending. Ven's keyblade has a huge curve in the body of it, the one in that cutscene does not. And the "other place" that Xigbar is talking about is the Room of Awakening. Not the "Room of Birth" which doesn't even exist.

 

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