Martial Arts, violent sport?

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  1. awsomonium Merlin's Housekeeper

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    I do a martial art called Zen Do Kai, and my dojo got a letter saying that our sport shouldn't be practiced because its to violent, but its purely for self defence. just wondering if anyone else thinks its to violent?
     
  2. Repliku Chaser

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    I don't really see the martial art of Zen Do Kai as violent in itself. However, if taught by some bone heads that are arrogant and annoying, then students may get big heads and make stupid decisions. Zen Do Kai is meant for self defense and by what I know, is mostly taught that way and not as something of aggression or encouraging violence.

    Of course, there are some people out there that believe teaching martial arts is encouraging violence but usually Zen Do Kai is taught well. In some areas though it is more aggressive and there is competition in the ranks of it. I haven't really heard of too many incidences though of violence by students of it. Usually the most violent people I've ever dealt with that know martial arts are from some students of Tae Kwon Do. Some have just been really rude and obnoxious whether in competitions or outside of the scheme of martial arts such as at school, work, etc.

    I am curious why someone would send a letter to your dojo. Maybe something happened from one of the students there or just some people are worried about it. Some people think that learning self defense encourages violence, but if done right, it doesn't.
     
  3. Inasuma "pumpkin"

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    I can't possibly see how martial arts is violent from any person from the government or county. Martial arts, depending on the sport, and in your case it's in self defense, is only violent when provoked (assuming the person uses it right).

    Martial arts is about fighting. All fighting is violence. That's more of a letter of redundancy than notice. The only reason I can imagine some kind of letter being sent their because of violence is because someone had been hurt, or something really bad has happened and someone said something. Or maybe just some random individual who wants to get rid of the fighting...? Who knows.
     
  4. Atlas Gummi Ship Junkie

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    Do you know if your dojo got the letter because it's a Zen Do Kai dojo, or because it's simply a martial arts dojo? Either way, it's a bit of a silly thing to say. Zen Do Kai is used for defense, right? I don't know much more about it than what Wiki can tell me, but it said that a lot of the earlier black belts were from the security industry, and that Bob Jones was a bodyguard in the eighties. Martial arts aren't taught to be used for violence, they're taught to stop violence before it escalates out of control. I'm a first brown belt in American Kenpo, and up to black belt, there are only 2 offensive techniques, one of which is primarily a sparring technique.
     
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    I think it's normal to learn Martial arts for defense. Example, a stalker has a knife. You use a move to disarm him and have him pinned down and then you captured a predator that was teh problem to everyone everyday. I think it's the best to learn. If you didn't, you could get stabbed with it or get caught easily and then get taken away for like eternity with that person.
     
  6. Radiowave ITSA PIIINCH

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    Its self defense...most likely, people at your dojo dont go around attacking people...I dont see how it should/could be bad. Whoever wrote that letter is stupid...

    I wouldnt view Martial Arts as a sport...sure contests are held, but its not like your dojo goes around beating other dojos...like real sports like football, or basketball
     
  7. Luna Lovegood nani panda-kun

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    It's not just a sport, as you said, it's self-defense. You can't sign up for any martial arts class and not expect to get hurt at least once. If injuries happen too often, you might want to think about training at a different dojo.
     
  8. 00Roxas00 剛情のロクサス

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    I think Martial Arts is a beautiful sport, its more than kicking some butt, or self defense. You will meet your inner self ^_^.
     
  9. Advent 【DRAGON BALLSY】

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    Alone, most martial arts are for self-improvement and fun. When these arts are used just to attack people they are violent, but its just fine when they are used for self defense.
     
  10. awsomonium Merlin's Housekeeper

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    The letter was sent to several other martial arts places as well, and no where not taught to go around the streets beating up people, we got some girls there and we do some stuff to defend against rapists and bad guys like that. If anyone is interested in learning a martial art, I recomend checking to see if there is a Zen Do Kai dojo near you, its like a compilation of the best bits of other martial arts rolled into one. Zen Do Kai litrerally translates to 'the best of everything'.
     
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    Well, Its not really a violent sport, its more like a self defence... And since martial arts is a beautiful sport where you meet your inner being... It can also help by teaching you defence skills against those who want to take advantage. It does not mean that people would beat the crisp out of each other for fun.
     
  12. Peace and War Bianca, you minx!

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    It depends on the individual. If a guy wants to use the martial art to hurt someone, thats that persons fault not a WHOLE sport, it's arrogant to think so.
    And why many people insist on banning martial arts, but you can buy legal guns?
    One word...
    Idiotic
     
  13. Fallout Gummi Ship Junkie

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    lol.

    If I had to choose, I'd rather ban the gun and allow Martial Arts to be used with a permit.
     
  14. Peace and War Bianca, you minx!

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    That sounds fair, and also they should have around 3 teachers judging whether the student is capable of violent bbehaviour with the marital arts, and if they are they either have to train for more self control or quit altogether.

    And with guns you can buy one with minmal or no training at all, and they are more likely to kill then a guy who can kick you in the head. Seriously, the government is gun friendly, and they expect people NOT to use the guns? -__-'
     
  15. Repliku Chaser

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    I would rather no rules be impeding on people and keep our government out of it unless some moron does some crimes of aggravated assault or whatever. Most people who take martial arts are just fine and we don't need the crap. If someone abuses their training and gets too cocky, that's his/her problem. That person alone should be punished for not doing the right things with the training that has been received. The only way a dojo should be analyzed is if a few students are coming out of there with big heads and doing crack pot stuff.

    Martial arts does a lot of good for a person. It helps keep fit and not have a boring exercise regimen. It builds up a person's stamina and pain resistance too. Mentally, it can help calm a person because facing the possibility of a dangerous situation can help relax anxiety in stressful moments. Also, some schools are very good at teaching discipline and respect to all life and that what they are learning is for self defense purely and for bettering yourself as a human being. Last thing I want is martial arts being regulated anymore than it is. People with black belts in certain martial arts already require the need to carry a card around that says their hands are considered a deadly weapon. That's enough for me.
     
  16. Princess Snow White I feel such an isomniac.

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    Martial arts is usually used for defense, unless some stupid guy attacks a person with it, and it helps you with many other things.
    It is kind of violent with the fighting, but it is mostly used for defense.
     
  17. Soraroxmysox!454 Destiny Islands Resident

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    No, I take karate and they only think violent about it is on monday nights... *shivers* lol on monday nights i sparr with black belts and im only a purple belt. But its for self defence and in karate they teach you to use it for the right reasons. This one black belt strangled me so i elbowed him in the gut (hes in a differnt place/type of martial arts hes in tikwando) well like in karate kid mr. mugi or whatever his name is says "There is no such thing as bad student, only bad teacher." thats so true. well thats my opinion. Bye!
     
  18. Hakurei Reimu Take my hand. And then I'll fly with you right up

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    Generally all martial arts are developed solely for self defense. Naturally, violence in the sense of hurting some1 should by kinda expected cuz practice makes perfect. Though it's really about how far that individual's willing to push it.

    All in all though, I don't see martial arts to be a very violent sport. Many people who take any form of it doesn't misuse their abilities much.
     
  19. Ashwa <3 Hollow Bastion Committee

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    I didn't really consider martial arts a sport. In my opinion its only for self defense. However, if someone chooses to abuse their martial arts skills to attack someone, thats different. I would consider that as violent.

    But if its just being used correctly and only for self-defense, I see no harm in it. I understand that yes, there is violence for self defence, but you're protecting yourself and that should be understandable.
     
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    It's no more violent of a sport than wrestling, which takes place in SCHOOLS for god's sake. I mean, our school tried to make martial arts as part of the school sports program, but they said it was too violent. They allow wrestling but not karate or other martial arts. WTF? I mean, when you practice martial arts as a sport, you wear sparing gear and everything. It's only really violent if you are doing it for self defense, which I see no problem with. I mean, if a guy tries to steal your wallet, are you gonna try to TALK it out with him? No. You kick him in the nuts to get it back and run away. *Sigh* People these days...