If you don't agree with society, you have no right to live in it and should go die.

Last week at school I was talking to a friend of my friend's who honestly believed that if you don't agree with 100% of society and what the Government is doing, then you should either:

A) Shut up about your opinions and deal.

B) Go live in a society you DO agree with.

C) Go live in the wilderness.

D) Go commit suicide and stop ruining this planet.

She believes that by staying in a society that you don't believe in or feel is corrupt, you are dragging your country and your community down with your negativity. That if you don't agree, then basically gtfo.

She thinks that America's corruption comes from the people who inhabit it who always accuse the Government of lying and who pretty much cause internal wars within their own country for whatever reason.

She says that if you don't like America or your own Country, then leave or die and stop ****ing it up.

Thoughts? <3​

 

Of course this country is falling a part. I will agree, some of the protesters may have caused this. To me, it looks like she's blaming the protesters for our country being so ****ed up. I don't think that if you don't agree to a government, you half to leave it or kill yourself. It's completely absurd. We have thousands of people that don't agree to the government, including me.

 

Ok I disagree...weather because nobody deserves to die. or weather dying for such a measly reason is pointless i do not know.

 

But... the reason that protesters arise in the first place... is because they think that something is wrong. If something is wrong, it should be fixed, or at least attempted to be fixed. Mindlessly following whatever your country and government throw at you would make things spiral down into hell all the more quickly. Without any fear of public disapproval or protest, the government would do whatever it wanted, whenever it wanted, and that would hardly make the world a better place. The reason behind right to free speech and right to assemble etc is so we can have a say about issues in our society. A society that follows what she suggests would be like 1984. THIS GIRL IS BIG BROTHER. SHE IS WATCHING YOU.

And besides, odds are that there will never be a system that you 100% agree with. So every human not like her and not working for the government should go live in the wilderness? Well, then the people living in the wilderness are bound to set up a society. What happens when some of those people begin to disagree with their new system? So all humans that try to think for themselves should kill themselves?

There would be no point in having free will if you weren't supposed to exercise it. While protesters sometimes, more often than I'd like to think, do more wrong than good, they're not the only reasons behind the country being messed up. Differing opinions are what make life interesting.

 

I agree with that part. The people who are always accusing the government of doing bad and corrupt things (which is a corrupt thing in itself), are the ones who are making the country fall apart. And it is slowly but surely falling apart.

What I don't agree with is the leaving/dieing part. America was created so that everyone could have their own opinion and disagree in a civilized manner. Those are radicalist ideas that don't really capture the essence of what America really is at all, actually.

 

Whoa, whoa, whoa. She's saying you're not allowed to have your own opinions about society now? Good luck finding anyone who's 100% okay with it, because I'm guessing there are very few of them. It is human nature to want to rebel, even if it's just a little bit. I can't think of a single person who agrees with every little thing, right down to the last detail, about society. Also...

Has she ever seen Into the Wild? The guy in that did the exact same thing, and...well, it didn't end well for him, and he ended up regretting his decision.

 

It's America. We're all humans (err, right?), we all have free will. I have the right and the ability to develop my own opinion, and if it differs from yours, too damn bad. Just because someone doesn't agree with you on something (say, healthcare reform or some shiz?)does not mean they should die.

 

First i would like tyo point out that she is a complete ignoramus and you deserve a better person for a friend then that jayn. If that is what she thinks then she should also go start a war for her country or become a suicide bomber for her country or go start a racist organisation against every other nation because if she thinks like that she is nothing more than a tool, an instrument, a puppet. If there weren't people who broke away from society then the world would still be as it was thousands of years ago and everything would be considered "magic" or the work of "God".

Jayn cut her loose or she'll drag you down.

 

Isn't that a bit hypocritical? "If my friend doesn't share the same views as I do, if they're too extreme, I can't call her a friend anymore. She should leave me/I should leave her."

But I do agree that in my opinion her ideas are ridiculous. I haven't faced the problem myself, as the society I live in actually expects that we're critical about the government/society (Finnish patriotism is the weirdest xD). So to me that seems like not being allowed to express your views, as they're 'un-American' or something. Freedom of speech? "Who cares, they're not patriotic enough for us!"

 

Too bad your idiot friend of a friend doesn't realize that society can technically change its course somewhat with every election and that people who deserve to die today may have kept their right to live tomorrow.

 

The fact is that people have there views but by the way jayn is explaining this, this is the kind of person to force their views on others. They have no gray area in their mind about whether they are right or wrong. Personally i would advise you jayn to just cut away from a person like that but then again it's your decision so, meh.

 

We have a right to our own opinions. Thus: "A free country".

 

It's not that simple. I don't everyone has the right to just any opinion. Nobody should be allowed an opinion that is debunked by facts.
Classic example: "The Holocaust never happened."

 

LOL!!!!???

That is the funniest thing i've seen all day!
I mean, wow it is a believable argument, but what a negative girl, thinking that its the people and not the government to blame and should die if they don't like it?
What a lot of hate... she has either got really outspoken parents or something really pissed her off...
Good luck meeting this girl again. You may need it.

P.s.: Does she have many friends? Sounds like she'd have a tough time making them.

 

It takes a rebel, a renegade, to change any society to become better. Deviants are the ones that make any country great. JFK, MLK, Malcom X, Ghandi, Jesus (whether or not he existed), Tom Paine(sp?), etc.

They all died, but they left their marks and now the societies they were in are the way they are because of the things they believed and stood up for. If everyone were to just accept the government, there would be no individual opinion, no democracy, no freedom and no opportunity for yourself.

Essentially this person you are talking to is a totalitarian for really having that much faith in government. If government had the open-gate to do what it wanted with everyone being 100% behind it all the time, we would be slaves because "it is the right thing to do for the benefit of the nation." She has a very backwards train of thought on this, I think. Sorry to say. Let her grow up a little.

 

It's so true. The very fact we have governments means we should question them and not simply follow them, like a dog does with its master. Like you said, all great people were questioned for their actions, but in the end they were all great for their actions.

And seriously, if my ancestors hadn't abolished some laws made by King Henry 8th I would have to have been trained in archery at the age of 14 and hand the royal family tax in the form of vegetables.

 

Someone having extreme views doesn't mean you couldn't be friends with them, hell, some of my best friends are devout Christians/athiests/Jews/goverment supporters/'anarchists', some of them even shove their views down my and my other friends throats. I myself am relatively neutral, I have my own beliefs but I'm willing to accept the fact that I could (and probably am) wrong. I've had some of the best debates with these guys, just because they're not willing to bend to my beliefs doesn't mean I care any less about them. Having these guys around have actually made them and me a bit stronger, we don't give into peer pressure as easily, and we've managed to create our independant thoughts, in stead of trying to please people by 'thinking' how some old kooks in the Parliament want us to think.

And might I say, your thoughts differ greately from mine, and to me it seems that neither of us seem to be willing to let go of our beliefs. Does that mean we should never be in contact with each other?

 

That is some BS, I don't agree with society. To me, this country sucks right now, the ecomomy, Afghan, etc. And nobody should die for crap like that. We all have the right to live, it should not be requested to be taken away, unless you've done something so bad such as Genocide.*coughs* Hitler! Or straight up murder. I would love to go more in depth with this, but I've said enough.

 

Hell they can think that if they want. I can say that I think the clouds are going to take over the world and that's an opinion. If you don't like it, that's your problem. You're not going to change someone's mind. If they're willing to fight over their opinion, that's their right. If I say something not backed by facts then sure it's not true, but I still have the right to think that. Point in case: This conversation. No matter how much I argue with you or how much you argue with me, we won't change one another's minds.

 

There's no solid proof to say clouds won't. One day, maybe they could continue to grow, without dissipating, lower to the earth, cover the surface, and freeze it or something.
However, an opinion is something that rests on grounds not sufficient enough to produce complete and concrete certainty.
Facts are an exact truth.
The Holocaust never happened.
If that's an opinion, it's a wrong opinion.