God vs. Satan

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  1. water mage Kingdom Keeper

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    This was very interesting that I learned from watching this historical special called God vs. Satan. What I found that was so eye opening was in the Book of Revelation from the Bible at the time for the Apoclypse which would lead to Armagedon (Good vs. Evil) and then the Day of Judgement for mankind.
    Historians say that how it begins are the constant blood shed, natural disasters and wars. that constantly occur without notice. This is how the state of our world is in now, but the true sign according to the Book Of Revelation is the coming of the four rides and four different signifining approaching doom. A red horse means, war, a black means death, a green means famine and the white horse represented the coming of a notorious approach.

    Then there are the seven seals where the first four seals respresented the 4 horses with riders, the fifth seal was hail I believe and the other two I can't recall except I remember the show saying that one of the seals had to do with the justice or the vengence of all those who suffered and were killed for their beliefs, but there were signs of approaching doom. What would happpen before the angels were sent down with their trumpets for the brink of annhilation, the good and the faithful would vanish and enter heaven where as the others would be tested and live a mortal life of the worst possible.

    Satan would have two demons that take on the form of monsters. but one of them would become one the world's most cruelest nemisis such as Hitler etc. The two demons were called the Anti Christ and the False Prophet. The false prophet would be a demon disguised as a human who would teach others about turning away from God and speak lies hoping to persuade and trick people into joining Satan. The Anti Christ would be a leader of Satan's armies that aquire more souls. He then would attack the City of Jersrusalm where Jesus would come back to earth and fight as a divine warrior. He was depicted with the weapon of spreding the words of Christ, but he held a sword in his mouth so he was now ready to take on the evil.

    In the end, after the war is fought Satan loses and his two evil leaders the anit christ and false prophet are cast into the lake of fire meaning Hell where as he is chained and thrown into an abyss for a 1,000 years where Jesus the Messiah rules the Earth as a earthly king for 1,000 years and the earth becomes a Utopia; however, Lucifer is given another chance to where he resorts back to his true evil nature and longing for power and begins to infuence mankind again and gets more souls. Lucifer is finally thrown into the Lake of Sulfur (fire) to where he burns day and night for enternity. God then decides before blowing up the earth and universe and creating a new one, that the remainng surviros of this would then face the Day of Judgement of where there souls will spend enternity.

    My point being of all this is based on interprepertation, but I believe it will happen, but no one knows when and if it will happen in our life time. So what do you guys think of all this? Feel free to add or correct me if I missed anything.
     
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    Revelations is a satirical critique of the Roman Empire under the rule of Nero. It was "romanticized" with the term "The Beast". Nero's name, in a derivative language (perhaps Aramaic) translated tallied up to the number 666 when used in playful name game. It wasn't even written by the same John of the gospels. A pseudonym was used for fear of persecution.
     
  3. BaseSebastian Kingdom Keeper

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    Yes, and what every Christian (And Aethist who tries to look for something controversial) reads today is not the original Bible. Take a phrase, ask one person to whsiper it to another and another and another until everybody has heard the phrase from somebody, and what have you got?
    Begining
    "Harry brought garlic bread and spaghetti for lunch"
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    "Harry likes Sally, pass it on."

    I think the returning of God is quite nigh. And not because of all the signs in particular. Think of what He's given us, and we make it a mess. He gives us rolling golden valleys, and we make landfills. He gives us good soil to put crops upon, and we plant cocaine. He gives us the materials to expand our knowledge of building and make people safer, and we make strip clubs. If we're a redo of the Universe, then I gotta tell you, I think we're going to be blown up alot sooner than our predecessors. I wonder if they ticked the Big Guy off as much. (In a way. He's probably ticked off at the sight of the world, but not at us. Yet I think Bill Maher is somebody who really gets him personally.)

    The End may be thousands of years from now, and it might be soon. But like Death, even when the world crumbles, if you come to him, God's not going to shun you. If you go to him for the sake of your own, however, you will appear quite similiar to an old hag or a troll to him. Such creatures winde up in the mouth (Hell is like a mouth. It opens and closes, but with so many teeth, anyone already swallowed cannot escape.)
     
  4. White_Rook Looser than a wizard's sleeve.

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    While your examples provide some insight into some of the negative aspects of our autonomy as humans, I fail to see how it should represent us all-- likening roads which merit some necessity with superfluous things like drugs and strip clubs says very little about humanity's existence as a whole. At best it barely shows the variety of the human condition. Much of the destruction we've caused to the planet is in hindsight of examining our actions further. We can't have complete foresight into our actions, or else we would be God.

    We came into being as imperfect. Whether or not this existence was mediated by a supreme being, our short comings shouldn't warrant the immediate assumption that we'll one day puff out of said existence as a result. And if by chance a god brought us into existence, why be angry it it's own intentional creation of imperfection is at work? Should not the watch maker marvel at their creation regardless of the materials that went into it? the fact that we have to freedom to make strip clubs, grow drugs, build highways, and live the way we want is a shining example of the freedom of choice inherent to all humans. Whether or not was manufactured shouldn't change this fact; the freedom to choose is working.

    Anything that has a probability of occurring can occur. While many pessimistic views have us teetering on the edge of immorality or evil (concepts easily up for debate) leading to the end of the world, it's just as likely that we'll experience another Renaissance of human enlightenment and learn from our mistakes.
     
  5. BaseSebastian Kingdom Keeper

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    It's true. God created imperfect. And try not to be pessimistic. Yet still so many have so different views nobody knows what to think anymore. Striving for perfection for God: The proverbial endless staircase, or an actual goal?

    Whether or not one believes in God, the current state of the world is far from perfect. Heck, I'd go out on a limb and say it's far from good. The only people really improving are some Iraqis in just one city. And they might take the wrong turn with technology like everyone did.

    Hmph. Some nut-jobs even say: "The world already ended. Welcome to Hell, everyone."
     
  6. water mage Kingdom Keeper

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    Well people do say that earth *life* can either be heaven or hell for it depends on what choices one makes, if there are any consequences resulting from those choices and overall your outlook on life. Now I believe that to be somewhat true, but I also beleive that when you die, your soul will cross over and depending on how you lived your life will determine where you will spend enternity.
     
  7. White_Rook Looser than a wizard's sleeve.

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    Yeah but something like that still doesn't address the conviction that a Muslim, or Buddhist might have in their faith. Would such a choice merit a harsh judgement on God's part? And would've if they denied Christ, and everything else Christianity requires of its followers to accept in order to have "everlasting life"? If they lived life according to the ideals of their faith and hold steadfast even in the end, how will they be judged?
     
  8. water mage Kingdom Keeper

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    I'm afraid none of us simple mortals knows the answer to that . All we can do is believe in what we believe no matter what religion it is. No one knows for certain until each one of us experiences the "next life." That is why I don't like to discuss religion or politics with others, but I posted this topic because I found it interesting, ominous, and wanted to know what others opinions were? It was simply out of curiousity.
     
  9. White_Rook Looser than a wizard's sleeve.

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    But you can't deny that there is in fact some mutual exclusion when it comes to considering your idea of how the bible will play things out. You also can't possibly believe that millions of others are throwing their existence away in believing in something different, right?
     
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    Sadly that is the reason behind most wars in the past. There is much disagreement of what is and what isn't. It all depends on what you believe in and what you don't.
     
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    God would kick Satan's ass for the record.
    I believe it will happen...I just hope I'm not alive by then.
     
  12. White_Rook Looser than a wizard's sleeve.

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    If God couldn't get rid of Satan to begin with, how do you know?
     
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    1. Creator of everything>>>a fallen angel.
    2. Why should God solve every problem? Evil/Satan exists for a reason. Nobody is truly good without ever have being tempted by evil(Satan). That's probably the reasoning behind as to why evil/Lucifer exists if God could've easily ended all suffering.
     
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    None of them because they are both ******ed and abuse their power.
     
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    Oh yes, that is so true.[/sarcasm]...Then that makes us nothing. If you believe in God and science, then you should realize how hard it is to create the laws of physics. I bet the only true stupid thing Satan ever did was rebel against God...other than that...both are smarter than any single human...
     
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    Fine then, they are both jackasses.
     
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    Correction. New Testament God is funloving and doesn't smite you for forgetting to do something.
    Old Testament God...not a jackass...but he's f*cking vengeful. D8
     
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    you people are blind. its going to happen our life time. in fact the bible code predicts sometime in 2011.
     
  19. Patsy Stone Мать Россия

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    Bible code my ass. That thing is as accurate as the astrologists in the daily paper. They make vague comments well open to interpretation and let people read what they want to read. I mean really.

    Also, god lol I don't even want to get started on this topic. All I will say is he makes no sense. From all the evidence he/she sounds at the very least deranged, if not verging on psychopathic. Who knows, maybe satan is just gods other personality?

    More likely neither exists and it is just the good cop bad cop routine taken way too far.
     
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    Vengeful? Sounds like a jackass to me.
     
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