Equality

Human beings are born socially, but not physically, mentally or capably, equal. However as they live their lives that equality changes depending on their actions. It cannot of course become more, however it can most certainly become less. Everyone is not socially equal and should not be treated as so.

Debate with intelligent and logical reasoning.

 

I understand what you mean by not socially equal.
Like a convicted felon loses some of his rights.
but can you give a better example of that?

 

For example, I would expect that convicted criminals would not be treated the same way as innocents. For many (in the UK anyway) their quality of life is better in jail than out of it. They have gyms, good food, a bed to sleep in, they don't have to work and it's all paid for. They also get to smoke and do drugs that are smuggled in.

Many criminals are turned away from jails now because they are full. I say cut down the cell size, get the cheapest food that will keep them alive and then see how much it costs. They are going to jail, not on holiday.

 

I fail to see how everyone isn't socially equal?

 

They are born socially equal in that everyone should be given an equal chance to succeed in life. However, if their actions go outside what is acceptable by law then they can hardly be treated the same as someone whose actions have not.

 

Ahhh, okay. That makes sense, then. I wish that wasn't the case in the world, personally. lol

 

i just dont' understand how people would be treated if they weren't treated socially equally. how else would people be treated if they shouldn't be treated equally.

 

And this is why I'm a socialist.

And equality can certainly change. World leaders, the Pope, Bill Gates, all of these people are considered better than others because they have power. You could almost say that they are more equal.

 

Lol I always loved that line in George Orwell's Animal Farm "All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others".

In this case I am only talking about making people lower in social/human terms based on their actions.

 

That would be inhumane to get bad food, though I agree about cell size. They also shouldn't get so much extra curricular activites, and guards in the jails should cut down drug siphoning.

sorry offtopic

people are born socially equal, but their ideals change. When they are raised in a racial community, their parents ideals become theirs. It all depends on the environment they are raised in, and the way their parents/guardians/family thinks.

 

It is only inhumane if you still consider them to be "fully human". That is the point I am getting at, that if you don't believe like a human (i.e. you murder, steal, rape etc) you should be socially downgraded. Your rights therefore would downgrade with your social level.

 

I see what you mean, how they are raised and events in their life could make anyone more or less socialy accepted. Even different jobs can do this as in most people would rather be friends with a postman than a manager of McDonalds. Crinimals (thanks to the news) are probibly one of the most socially un-equal type of people due to the fact that they have broken rules or commited unjust acts.

 

xD Slightly wrong end of the stick. It is my fault really. When I use the word "social" I don't mean in the general sense. I mean in terms of how an individual is treated by society as a whole, not by other individuals.

 

Oh my bad, in that case then I see your point in someone elses point of view. Would a homeless person also fall under your point? I know alot of people feel bad towards them.

 

I agree with the opinion stated that society should not treat criminals in prison quite as well as they do. However, there is also the matter of basic human rights. Downgrade the care too much, and criminals will complain that they are being mistreated. Arguably, they deserve it, but society preaches that everyone is equal, so something like that will never fly.

Now, to point out the hypocrisy of modern society. People are not treated equally and never will be. That is a fact. There are too many prejudices that exist for this to happen. People are treated differently based on many things, the most common being race, gender, age, social class, and religion. More often then not, the way society is prevents changing those things that should be able to change. People are judged by stereotype, and many accomplished people break away from these, but many are not able to. Those who do not break away from these stereotypes may begin to fall into them because they see no point. Society is praises equality and claims it to itself, but society itself prevents equality. Society will never be equal because the human race is flawed as a whole. Even the most open-minded people will judge others. I wish equality was real, and in some places it's very close, but it's not realistic.

I kinda got off the subject. Whoops?​

 

Lol it's ok xD

The thing is, I still think there should be basic human rights but a new definition of what is considered human (and yes I realise that this will create a tiered society, but who's to say that won't work? Examples of previous tiered societies are very welcome =]). We all deserve basic human rights because we are all considered "human" by society. But some people don't seem to want to exist in normal lawful society, and so I propose they be downgraded. Simple as that.

 

I don't want to exist in a normal, capitalist, lawful society. Does that mean I should be downgraded?

 

Things can happen in life, and depending on how you treat and react to that situation, you can change as a person. Say, for example, a popular friend sees his/her family get killed and is left alone. Now, this person is obviously gonna go through some changes in behavior, and depending on how others react to this, this person might not be what is considered "socially acceptable" anymore.

It's all about what people have experienced. After all, when you're born, you're like a blank shet of paper, and the story you're made out to be in the end depends on what the world writes down on you.

Life is an unpredictable enigma, and most people just can't handle the unexpected.

 

well yea, they already do that in prison.

 

I agree with you, and I do believe society attempts to do this in some ways. One would be by sending people to jail in the first place and not giving them the option of leaving, now as your very first post mentions, this isn't a completely sound method considering how much they get to do in prison, but they are imprisoned. This also continues in some way after criminals are released from prison. Records are kept of their crimes and they may not be hired for certain jobs. They are also more likely to be suspected of future crimes, and if convicted, may receive a larger sentence for that crime than that of someone who has no previous crimes. It also changes how people see you, if they are to find out. So, yes, I agree with you, I'm just pointing out some ways this already happens in society. :)​