No Thanks Code vault lost of post counts

I was there when they got the post counts back, but after looking in the kh threads most of them are just spam now a days.
If your thinking that the only reason why i'm doing this is because of my hatred of noobs(key in my kh1 thread lock) but its not about that. The code vault didn't have post counts before because of the spam, and its happened again so i just thought maybe it should not have post counts because of all that spam.


Wow, now that I think of it I've never had a suggestion before.

 

The Code Vault won't be losing its post count again. The Coders worked their asses off to get the post count back, I have everyy faith in them that they can and will do their jobs.

If you see spam in there, report it to one of them and they shall deal with it. It is part of their job.


~Locked~

 

This may seem odd

This thought has crossed my mind before and today especially I thought this would be rather fitting. I honestly at this point don't think posts should count in the code vault. There are many reasons to why it shouldn't one of them being how much drama there is from that place. People leave and come back and leave and come back and that seems to be the source. There aren't a lot of people who act professional in there. Another thing that crossed my mind was how easy it is to cheat the system. You post one code that has flaws then someone replies and you fix it. If you know the person you can get tons of posts very quickly. That isn't fair to the rest of the site for one thing. Another thing is how posts count for the entire code vault when there are old threads like this still around. None of the posts in this thread should count. LINK. Threads like that being deleted wouldn't be ideal either due to there being a ton of them and that isn't to just cut out a huge part of a website. So simply make them not count. One more thing that could be brought to the table is post count is a reward for hacking or something along the lines of that. If someone really wants to make codes or hacks etc they don't need post count. A perfect example would be myself. Most of my posts are in there and it doesn't matter to me anymore. A number shouldn't define a section.

Just putting this out there. Have fun kids.

 

I'm kind of neutral here.

On one hand, I see where you're coming from, but on the other hand, I don't particularly find it fair to the user posts that are already there.

If it were implemented, I think it should still count posts from before the implementation, but not after.

 

Posts didn't count until later in khv so threads like this got through no problem. Spam posts turned into legit posts. IE the double, triple, and even more posts. Good point though.

 

I don't think it can. An Admin could prolly enlighten more on that subject.
Either all the posts in a section like that counts or they don't.

The only exception to that is some of the subforums in the Usual Spot, but they're their own section, if that makes any sense.

 

Still the main problems occur in the popular "KH Threads" so subforums won't fix it. In my opinion.

 

I'm with Amaury on this one.

I don't really post in the code vault, so I can't judge. Thing is, I also agree with you a bit.
Honestly, if there's half as much crap in the code vault as you say, then it should be fixed.

 

Bumptastic

I am suggesting this based on what I see pretty much every day. To me there is just no point in having them count as it does more harm than good.

 

i'm neutral, i'm pretty indifferent to this to be honest. i don't think anyone really cares much about post count anyways.

also, why link to something that is over 3 years old? a link to a time when there were NO moderators, and also no post counts counted by the way. the post counts were added along with the original coders. those posts most likely didn't even count towards anyone's count.

 

I don't know. Hacking takes a ton of work off site and is valuable to the site, so people working on codes I'm fine with getting the easy posts, they deserve them. But then there are code requests and such that really don't deserve a count.

 

Posts count regardless of the age of a thread and picking the biggest thread in there is the best way to show my point.

And if nobody cares then why have them count in the first place.

 

i actually don't think it does count if there were posts made while it didn't count in the area. i remember my post count not increasing when it was enabled for post counts, but maybe an admin can tell us because i'm not 100% on that

i don't think showing posts over 3 years old says ANYTHING about the current Code Vault, i'm baffled as to why you think it does. a lot has changed since then

i don't know, i believe it was disabled in the beginning since there were no moderators at all in 2006. and then added shortly after Coders were added since they could prevent a spamfest. but fine, maybe i'm wrong to speak for others, maybe i'm the only one who doesn't care about the post counts (because believe me, most of the posts that i permamently delete are my own because they were comments mods post explaining why threads are closed). maybe there are some who do care.

but i don't really see the need to get rid of them though. i don't see anyone abusing code requests just for post counts anyways. or at least not any obvious cases, if there were, i'm sure the posts won't last long. once again, i don't really care that much, i'm very indifferent. but i'm VERY confused as to why you think they need to be removed.

 

If posts count for that section all threads in there will count towards your post count. Proof of that is I deleted that thread by mistake the first time I cleaned out the code vault and your post count dropped by 1,800.

And I just don't think posts should count there. If the section is being kept alive because of post count then that is pathetic. Since that isn't the case there is no reason we need posts to count there.

 

They do. It has been a point of contention for the RP Arena, what with old posts becoming post-counting in the revamp. So when the Code Vault got 'upgraded', a whole bunch of spammy posts (which were allowed under the Spam!Vault's rules) suddenly became counting, when they were not moderated with that in mind.

He's not saying that those posts show anything about the -current- Code Vault. He's using them as an example for the aforementioned issue of a large number of spam posts being upgraded without good cause when the Spam!Vault became the Code Vault

From what I gather, there have been many issues about that sort of thing recently. I've heard of some people getting a large number of posts just through posting bad/unusable codes or repeat requests. This is a tad unfair, considering the amount of effort others have to put in. For example, in the RP arena, the minimum requirement for a post to count is going to be a few hundred words. This standard can't be forced upon every forum, but it'd be nice to know that there is some equality across the boards.

For the record, this isn't just Lux's idea. I noticed this sort of thing a while ago, when browsing through the current Code Vault. While the Coders' posts of coding is certainly deserving of effort, my first thoughts on seeing the rest was, "Wow, asking for a code looks to be way less work than posting in the Discussion forum."

Perhaps as a compromise, we can use the mod that is being discussed in regards to the RP forum for the Code Vault too? We could set it so that only a certain number of characters count, so the larger posts would count, while the effortless, smaller posts would be non-counting. It wouldn't be perfect, due to the verbose nature of the codes themselves, but it'd eliminate the spam posts of the Spam!Vault, and much of the one-liner requests.

Unless there's anyone strongly opposed to the idea, I support it.

 

The 'posts do not count' rule is absolute for a section or subsection, regardless of the time that you posted it.

The argument is that spam is spam, no matter how old it is, and you should not get credit for spam at any point. Even if no one ever posts in the Code Vault again, making posts not count would be a worthwhile investment over deleting a majority of the section.

 

Yeah, no. The Code Vault is not posted on only because of post count (I can personally say that). Regardless, I don't see that as reason enough to remove all post count.

I don't see why there's a huge fuzz about post counts, since the majority in there don't even care. So perhaps removing post count there isn't a big deal. However, I still don't agree on completely yanking it out. Not everything said there is pointless discussion.

And as far as I recall, the Code Vault is place to ask assistance too. Not just posting codes or code videos. Which is probably why it's prone to have so much spam.

It is hard to sift through all the posts that were made that could count as spam.

This would be a problem. But if I recall, (and please correct me if I'm wrong) this was only one person? So exaggeration may ensue.

Which brings us to this above. Which I think could work.

I hardly doubt that it matters whosoever idea it was. But I've noticed it too on occasion. However, I think it's important to note that most of the posts aren't exactly off-topic. Most are related to the discussion. And even if they're short, our six words per post rule is being removed/was removed.

 

ok, i stand corrected
if that's possible, i think that's the best solution as well.

ok, the argument makes more sense to me now.

just putting this out there as well. i seriously doubt anyone posts in the code vault just for the sake of getting a higher post count, or at least not that many anyway.

 

Well there was one person... as Chev pointed out.

But agreed, it can't be judged just based on one or two people. However, as one who rarely uses the code vault, it isn't really my place to judge in that regard. I can however agree with and express the view that spam is simply spam, and that doesn't deserve a post count, but the problem would be down to, well... what is considered spam in that section? And who would be abusing the code vault to their advantage in order to gain post count? (in the one instance mentioned above, it was obvious when it happened, but in that case, what could be done about it in that regard?)
Personally, this might be one of those 'vote' matters to see what the majority think. :/

Of course, an Admin hasn't gotten back to this yet, so they might have a more direct view at first.

 

What makes me laugh is some posts in there that are like a paragraph long and actually had thought put into them are deleted. Just because they aren't codes in every post doesn't mean its spam. If it is code based discussion it shouldn't be deleted. To clarify I am referencing my posts here. If logical discussion is spam then so is all the other stuff in there. What makes no sense to me is "Can I have teh riku code pl0x" isn't deleted but a well thought out post is. Maybe I was doing my job wrong when I was coder but I am pretty sure it is the other way around.