Christianity, inflated myth? (Atheists = Christians and Christians = Atheists?)

Recently I've been talking to my mom who's a HUGE philosophy major and she was talking about this certain topic.

Christians, while major disapproving of Darwinism and Evolution, have many fears. They are in fact, philosophically the exact same thing as Evolution and Darwin. A person who thrives to drive forward in search of something greater (in this case, the allegory "truth"). This in fact scares most Christians, driving them to try as much as they can to disapprove evolution. By using rational and physical evidence, many scientists and evolutionists can prove MANY, MANY things about the earth that are believed to be true. However, this also applies to Christians. They drive forward, in great search of truth and salvation, also using rational and logical proof to show that God exists.

Often times I hear Christians say "WE'RE HERE TO SAVE YOU AND PROVE TO YOU GOD EXISTS" (exaggerated). First of all, you're no better than any Atheist in existance. Using 'proof' to make you seem correct. As if you have proof? God is a figure of knowledge, prosperity and wisdom. In no way can a person DESCRIBE God. For all you know, he's towers high. A familiar example of this is Pigs. What if pigs had a pig god? Would that pig be huge or small? No one would know because they'd have to wait and find out AFTER.DEATH. There's a difference between acting like you know, knowing, and telling people the truth.

Now. Atheists, too, are in the wrong. Both sides of these groups have the exact same problem. Like I said, they use 'proof' and 'evidence' to show they are right. While Evolution seems to be right with it's proof that is actually physical, there's no reason to shun the possibility of God's existence, as many of you know. Jesus was said to be a human, but looking at the real evidence one can easily say he never lived. This 'evidence' is what makes atheists look just like Christians. They proclaim they are constantly correct when in fact they have no clue what they are talking about.


Moving onto another topic, faith. Faith is not "I believe so I am saved". No. That is not it. Christianity does not have to demand evidence of God if it has faith. Believing, knowing and having faith are COMPLETELY different. Having faith is the ability to cast your life in danger and even to possible death, knowing that you think you're correct (in your opinion). Faith does not require evidence, you Christians. Stop proving God's existence. If you're loyal to God and want to show him you care, don't praise, don't worship, don't offer. Just live. The thing is, is that you can't believe in yourself that you are 100% correct, be a good Christian and don't argue.

Again, Atheists argue with Christians on the debate of "IT'S NOT REAL". A true Christian, IMO, would never argue with the power of the lord. Instead he would say "I don't want to argue. I don't know what is out there, I'm not dead. I just have faith and believe that there is something."


Let the discussion begin!

 

Wow...just...wow. You claim to NOT be a bigot, now? And that "Be a good christian and don't argue" thing? I'm just saying that once a group of christians see this, you'll probably get flamed like there is NO tomorrow, friend.

 

Christians have no reason to fight, athiests do. Athiests are trying to disprove religion so that we can make our lives better and easier while we're alive. It's a sad existence for athiests because we believe that when you die your conciousness is erased from existence. Although we don't know this to be truth, we have faith that not believing in god is the simple truth. And because of that we fight to rid the world of religion and make sure that the world is peaceful and wonderful before we disappear. Everyone wants happiness and salvation like you said Darky, and while christians wait for death to find that happiness, Athiests feel a need to create it on earth.

Really, christians have a right to fight and defend their religion, but any true christian wouldn't care what athiests do or say and would worry about themselves. Some may call this selfishness. And I'm not saying christians are selfish, but the christian view can seem it if they don't go out and try to spread the word. They want to disprove athiesm to save their fellow humans, lest they come off as selfish prats.

Everyone is good at heart, we're all fighting to help the people we're fighting. In the end it'll be an endless cycle until the end of humans, because no one can prove or disprove. We are all just people, looking for something bigger and stronger, and we're trying to take those we love with us. To say that christians are ignorant and idiotic is ignorant and idiotic, but wholly for the good of the planet. To call an athiest a sinner and an evil person is a horrible insult, but you're trying to save their soul. Therefore we can see that religion causes wars over who is right because we want to save the other side from themselves. Human hatred = no. human love = yes.

You could almost say we hate each other because we love each other. O.o

 

The main idea of the Athiest is to rid the world of organized religeon so that they stop taking our untaxed $$$ and quit with the brain control of the populous. Its a pretty old gig =P

 

Do you even know what bigot means?

It's someone who is intolerant of another persons point of view.

Did I ever say Christianity was bull**** in my post? No. Did I say it a load of ****? No. I may think it is but I don't ravage around saying it is.

You are the bigot if anything, completely shunning MY point of view by calling ME the bigot.

Please note this is not a relevant post so don't respond to it. Just let it soak in.

 

I WILL reply, because the title alone claims you are referring to christianity as these things. That is what angers me. Why would I allow anything YOU say to quote-unquote, "soak in"? Honestly, I'm begining to think you people make these threads for the sole sake of insulting christianity, and in turn, christians as well. That is just bogus. I cannot even begin to comprehend what goes through your heads. But I do understand this: You clearly have some personal issues to work out.

 

And I guess you clearly have issues on just letting people express their own opinions.

 

Roflmao....wow....just wow King. You obviously don't understand the meaning of debate. When people act stupid, and can't take a thread serious, then they don't belong here. If you can't share eachothers opinions, and talk about it without totally insulting someone like you do, then that person needs to go somewhere else. You don't believe in opinions, and therefore don't belong here.

 

Ha. Let me guess: you went STRAIGHT to the bottom without even reading it?

 

Your post wasn't even worth my time to give you my opinion on the subject. Mostly due to the lack of maturarity you have shown on this thread.

 

Once again, a personal shot. I agree that I did not show much maturity on my first post, but that's because there is something you peopke just don't don't seem to grasp. Sharing opinions and disproving religions are not the same thing. Why do you people not realize this? Saying, "I'm not a christian", I don't care. Saying "christianiy's a myth", on the other hand...look, guys, you have your beliefs, FINE. Don't attack mine.

 

Dude, that's the same thing actually. :/ You say don't attack mine, but what the hell do you think you're doing? You want to prove that god is real, and they want to prove a way around it. I guess there are so many friggin religion threads, that people are starting to think attacking is going on. And they are probably right.

 

Uh yes. It was. This is not a "is it real or not" thread. It's a "discuss your opinions and MATURELY show consideration" kind of thread. I'm pretty sure you lack those important values.

lol. Clearly you didn't grasp the concept I laid out for you.

uh, no. lol wtf. I'm actually have the utmost respect for people who give me respect. I'll respect you first, if you don't respect back, you get a harsh argument. One that obviously you, would misinterpret.

Lol define "personal issues" please.

 

Have I said "Science is for tools" once in this thread?



(FYI: Stop cursing. It doesn't make you tough.)

 

But you're fighting against something that's true. >_> Science is logical interpretation. Learn what that means.

lol hai.

 

Nope but you sure have proven that in other threads.>_>

FYI: No, because I say it if I want to. And dude, I wish you'll let go of your ego.

 

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This was a very interesting point you have made, Darkwatch aka Deathwatch to my dyslexic ADD brain. Very well spoken.

Atheists and Christians can be considered similar in a few ways as you pointed out. Both try to prove something exists and something else doesn't, though they are on opposite sides of the fence on what they try to prove or disprove.

Faith also is not a Christian term alone and the saying to 'take a leap of faith' describes the act of, despite the odds against you, taking a chance to accomplish something or believe in something. It does not mean that you should have 'blind faith' in a constant. There is a reason, a feeling for having faith, whether it is intuition, keen instinct, or some soul deep motivation. You can have faith to try to help a friend from committing suicide, making a jump over a ramp with your bike even though you've never done it before, taking a chance on asking some girl out despite the fact you've been unlucky for a year, etc.

Evidence is only in the end as important as we make it in our lives. To me, the evolution pattern is important as is history and cultural development, because it intrigues me. I am not an Atheist or a Christian and do not dismiss the notion that there are things out there I do not understand, but I simply do not call those things 'God'. What things I find to fill in the blanks to the answers of life, I am grateful and glad I can research things in life so. What I do not know, I do not dismiss it, but at the same time, I leave the question as an 'open-ended' inquiry by responding 'I do not know'.

Here are some quotes I live by:

Learning without thought is labor lost; thought without learning is perilous. - Confucius

“I know that I am intelligent, because I know that I know nothing.†- Socrates

“The unexamined life is not worth living.†- Socrates

We are given brains to use and explore, whether we believe in God or not. Those who took your words wrong, or Cin's for that matter, did not really choose to read to see the awesome comparison you did between really two extremes and how each side can take things too far.

The_King, perhaps if you actually read the whole post you would see what was being said. You are making Christians look very foolish now and fortunately no one who is Christian or not here is going to use you as an example except as a zealot fanatic that reads only what offends you and comments to it. Please try to read deeper and don't be so quick to judge.

 

Very well pointed out, DW. That must have taken a ton of brains to figure out. XD I agree with every post.

To everyone else though: I don't know about anyone else, but it seems that people are starting to get kind of aggressive here. Stop flaming one another (if you are) and start debating. -_-

 

I completely agree with those quotes.

Another thing I'd like to point out is the platonic life-style that I mentioned earlier. Some Christians don't know/believe this, but the fact is we are still in the age of Plato to this day. Everyone views things on evidence rather than, the said "blind faith" in something. Very few philosophers in this day-and-age have started to go beyond the things that Socrates and Plato have created and thought of. Because during their time the things they thought of were beyond this world and are the basis of what shapes 95% of Christianity. In truth, Christians are almost pagans in some ways because of the philosophies they follow. lol (please no one flame me for that <_<)