Otherwise known as Avengers 2. Anyway, I was surprised that a thread of this didn't already exist. If one does exist and I just didn't see it, sorry about that. So the thing that prompted my into making this thread was that Ultron (the bad guy) has been cast for the movie. And his name is... James Spader Now, the only thing I've seen him in is The Office and freaking loved him in that. So given that I don't really know much about him, would someone else know if he is right for this role? To be fair I know nothing about Ultron either, but it's hard picturing Robert California playing this big threatening villain. So yeah. Really excited about this, can't wait to see him.
(angry nerd mode activated) An Avengers: Age of Ultron film adaption wherein Hank Pym did not create Ultron is a movie I'd much rather skip. No thanks.
I would prefer Hank Pym as well but I'll still see the movie. Besides, this is an alt. continuity to begin with, so it would never bother me to begin with.
But you clearly don't understand how these 'alternate universes' work. Most people are acquainted firstly with the films, and it is therefrom that they learn about the characters' comic book counterparts. It's to the point where these films have the power to change canonical aspects of the source material; because they're infinitely more popular. For instance, Ant Man and Wasp were not included in the first Avengers film... consequentially, neither of them showed up in the Avengers Assemble TV series. I fear that before long, people will start to think Tony Stark created Ultron. Which he didn't! Please spare me some room for whingeing, my favorite Avenger is being discredited/downplayed as per usual.
Did they say Tony Stark was going to make Ultron? Your favorite Avenger is a wife beater? I can understand, I'm just saying it doesn't bother me that much. What I'm concerned about is whether the movie will be good or not. But I can understand why you'd be upset.
I understand where you're coming from and I agree. Hank Pym made Ultron, that's just a fact that people have to understand shouldn't be changed. I think Ant Man should have indeed been in the first movie because he was one of the original Avengers. But alas, movies just tend to wreck things like this anyway.
Such is what people unfamiliar with his character think, but I disagree. The term itself implies a certain habituality, which does not apply to Pym. You'll recall the infamous panel where Hank 'hit' his wife -- it was initially an artist's flaw. But even if one were to take it at face value, it's been shown time and time again that Pym feels remorse over the fact that he hit Jan. Once. He acknowledges that once was too much. And that's not all! In recent events, Pym has taken active measures to prevent domestic abuse. Unlike Peter Parker and Reed Richards*, he has had to face up to his mistakes; the characters within Marvel canon won't let him forget his wife-beating status. Of course, I have yet to touch upon the myriad of mental health issues Pym has tackled with (he wasn't in his right mind, yada yada). He's the underdog of the Marvel universe, the best representation the mental health community has in (superhero) comic books. That's 616 Hank Pym. The term does apply to Ultimates!Hank, I'll grant you that much. But in the Ultimates universe, everyone's characterisation was so drastically skewed (the Ultimates also gave us incestuous Pietro/Wanda & made Bruce Banner a total jerkarse) that it hardly matters. * Ironically, those who claim Hank Pym a wife-beater tend to forget that Parker once hit a pregnant Mary Jane, and have you even read old Fantastic Four Issues? I cannot even keep track of the number of times Richards has belittled/slapped Susan Storm. Spoiler Apologies. I didn't mean to turn this thread on its heels and write an essay on Hank Pym but I kind of just To answer your question, YES. I believe it self-evident Tony Stark created Ultron in the MCU. Jarvis turns into Ultron, or something equally ridiculous.
I can't wait to see one dude taking on the entire Avengers unit and actually fighting them himself rather than throwing an army to do it for him. And that's all I'll say for now.
I actually don't care much whether it's Hank Pym or Tony Stark who made Ultron, since the guy is still a big badass either away, and is a giant pain in the butt for the avengers. And one of the other reasons I don't care is because is the Next Avengers movie, while it's animated and has nothing to do with the normal universe, Tony also made it in that one, so why can't he in this movie as well? I didn't grow up with Avengers, nor do I know much about it, especially stuff like Hank Pym and all that, but I don't see it as a crime for them to change who made it. As for the guy himself playing it, I think we'll have to wait and see. Sometimes people can surprised us with how they act in certain films
Did. They say. Tony Stark. Makes. Ultron. In this movie? I don't care if you believe it is self-evident, do you have evidence that says, without any room for interpretation, that Tony Stark builds Ultron IN A CAVE! WITH A BOX OF SCRAPS!?
They still could make Hank make Ultron at avengers 2 by mistake, and after he becomes the ANTMAN. I heard a rumor that Ultron probably would be JARVIS (the Stark's computer) that was taken by Loki at a previous script of the avengers: [DOUBLEPOST=1377829997][/DOUBLEPOST]They still could make Hank make Ultron at avengers 2 by mistake, and after he becomes the ANTMAN. I heard a rumor that Ultron probably would be JARVIS (the Stark's computer) that was taken by Loki at a previous script of the avengers:
Others have speculated likewise, but it is highly improbable that such will happen. Wishful thinking. Joss Whedon has stated that Hank Pym will not appear in the Avengers 2. Edgar Wright has stated that Ultron will not feature in the upcoming Ant Man film. As for the JARVIS to Ultron theory, I have heard it as well. I think it possible, and if it is indeed true... Well, there goes any faith left. Tony Stark is the most developed character in the Marvel Cinematic Universe, he has had ample screen time. No Avenger has stolen the spotlight as he's done. He does not need extra screen time. It must call for desperate times when the achievements of preexisting, lesser known personas are transposed onto already successful characters. Whedon: possibly insecure that the film wouldn't sell otherwise? I can think of no other reason for it, esp. when you consider that the Ant Man film shall be released before The Avengers 2. They didn't have enough time to introduce the character to audiences--? The only forgivable reason, false.
To be fair, Iron Man sells on screen. There's a reason he's the most prominent in the MCU, and that's why. I'm not saying I like it, but that's the fact of the matter.
I don't think Tony Stark creates Ultron in this movie. It seems like people are assuming it is Tony because Hank Pym won't be appearing in this film.
