Anymore True Faith?

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  1. Peace and War Bianca, you minx!

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    Faith, do we have it anymore?
    Do we have it in our country? Our relegion? Our Family? Our Friends? Ourselves?

    To me faith is declining at a good pace. Nowadays we don't believ in relegion, atheists are growing in quantity as each year passes, ambitous people betray thier country, feuds break families and friends apart and even we give up on ourselves when things are tough.

    D o you have a true and unconditionable faith in anything? Or do you have no more faith?
     
  2. Jiku Neon Kingdom Keeper

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    Though most moderate and average people tend to line up with a religion, but in a casual sense. However, there is still a large, loud, radically fundamentalist streak running around the world, it's members are often seen as insane and extremely radical and they are often perpetrators of terrorist attacks and other illicit activities. I think these people are wrong but the moderate practitioners of the mainstream religions are no problem and often have fairly open minds. There really isn't a problem in my experience with most people who affiliate themselves with any mainstream religion like Christianity, Buddhism, Hinduism and so on. I personally haven't a religion to speak of but that is more out of laziness and want of free time than anything else.
     
  3. Inasuma "pumpkin"

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    Sure there are people with faith. We all have faith.

    In the practical sense, we have religious faith and the other... normal faith. The religious faith that there is something that we have no explanation or proof for and the faith that our houses will always be over our head every day.

    More and more is the religious faith starting to crumble, simply because the value systems aren't applicable to modern day anymore.
     
  4. Hissora ahurhurhur.

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    I really don't believe in any religion, I find it silly. Sure we will find out why we're here sooner or later, but I don't know why I should waste time doing religious stuff if we are not even sure it's there. But I do have faith, faith in my friends, family and everything that I love.
     
  5. P Banned

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    I have unconditional faith in the internet. I know I will never be bored, and I know that there is always gonna be a friend or two here to say hi to. (I'm not fussy, anyone will do.)
     
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    Well, I don't believe that Atheists etc don't have faith. Faith to me doesn't have to be in a deity. I do not believe in gods simply because I feel they are made up and there is no proof for them. I also believe that deities were made up to fill in missing blanks of answers that I feel can be left open until they can be answered by science and reality. Also, religions have been used to run and design governments in times where people felt the need to lie to people was essential for order.

    So, where then do I have faith? I have faith in myself and my integrity and also in others. Knowing that we all do some faulty things, I have faith that people will 'be themselves'. I think if more people believed in themselves and stopped reaching out to things to make things happen, more would happen. If people accepted responsibility for their actions instead of blaming some fictitious entity for their bad deeds and some other one for their good acts, I think people would feel better about themselves and do more right deeds and there'd be no excuses accepted that were unreasonable. Faith in yourself to be yourself with your flaws and merits means you can work on the negatives and make yourself a better person. Of course, it also means you can work on yourself to become a worse person too. However, at least in the end, the person is being true to him/herself and there are no things that are imaginary to make up to place blame on. So, faith in myself to be me...faith in my friends to be them..faith in acquaintances to be them...faith in my family to be them, etc. Those closest to me I obviously put more trust in as far as expecting more 'positive' things to happen by my association with them. Those who I do trust instead to well, have more of a potential to screw me over, those stay at an arm's length away. Researching people for people tells a lot about them and about yourself and the type of person you want to be. I can have some amount of faith in a person that has done positive things to me that it may happen again so it's cool. I can have some amount of faith that if someone messed me up in some way, it could happen again so well, I will not trust them so much in the future.

    So, I disagree that faith is a dying thing but it is redirected in Atheists and Agnostics to instead mean that they have faith that people will be as people are, not expecting more or less, and also taking the world for what it is. Accepting the world and yourself and others, flaws and merits is important to learning how to fix the negatives and enjoy the positives. It's a new kind of faith that takes me much farther than any religion ever has.

    As for people betraying their countries...that has always happened. Also, family feuds have always transpired because no one can help you like family but also no one can screw you over so bad as a family member can. That is just the reality of the scenario. These things are nothing new. Look at history and see all the coups, murders of leaders, oustings of nobility, etc. Some stories are rather quite legendary. Despotic leaders go back thousands of years. Faith and loyalty to me are two different things. Faith is believing in something. Loyalty would be following something. If I have faith that something is a despotic tyrant...well I am certainly not going to be so loyal to it. If I know and have faith my sister is out to kill my grandmother, I'm not going to be so loyal to her. There is a definitely a separation here. In the religious sense of the word 'faith' it means you believe in something without needing necessary proof. However, in the modern world, 'faith' can also mean that you put trust and faith in something to be true because that's what it seems most likely to be. In either case though, there are countless people throughout the ages that have had 'faith' in religion and done some of the most heinous crimes with using faith as an excuse. So, in a way, the reinvention of the word makes sense in modern times or else we end up looking and studying deities that aren't grounded in fact while people continuously miss out on who -we- really are. I think we actually can grow stronger if more people would study -us- instead of reaching to blame or exalt something else. Some religious people also see things this way so it's not Atheists alone or Agnostics that recognize it. Deists were also very strong in this thought and it is why the U.S. Constitution is meant to divide church and state.
     
  7. Ashwa <3 Hollow Bastion Committee

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    Exactly.

    But I think some people still do have faith in our country. However, there does seem to be an increase in people who are starting to believe that our country will fall. So the faith in our country isn't what it used to be in my opinion.

    People have faith in their religions because they believe that thats right. To have faith in their religion. Just because there are atheists and agnostics now, doesn't mean that everyone is losing faith. There are still people who have faith in their religion.

    I do still have faith in some things
     
  8. sinister King's Apprentice

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    i see faith as a relief for some....
    however... the real fools are those who act with violence to convert others to their faith....
    for me...there is no god... but i will not argue with one.another if there is....
    those who have full belief in gods i can respect, but to force one to act your own way is utterly pathetic and sad...