Birth by Sleep A few quick thoughts

Discussion in 'Kingdom Hearts HD II.5 ReMIX' started by Fayt-Harkwind, Sep 4, 2008.

  1. Fayt-Harkwind Where yo curly mustache at?

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    I just had these few thoughts about BBS and 358/2 days there not properly theories and i'm not saying i'm right but I thought it was interesting.

    1. What if the reason there are multiple keyblades in BBS and the reason why Xion has a keyblade is because the original keyblade (Sora's keyblade) could/can spawn weaker keyblades which may also react with the word Birth.

    2. I think Roxas and Xion might be two sides of the same coin because Roxas has a mastery of physical keyblade powers (which I think is why he can use two keyblades while Sora has to transform) and Xion uses the magic side even though she might be using a fake keyblade.

    3. I'm not too sure about this but maybe the Princess' of Heart have nobodies since they lost there hearts to Riku/Ansem's dark keyblade in KH1. Like I said i'm not very sure about this since I don't have info on it XD.

    anywho thats it please discuss it (without flaming me since I don't really follow information that much XP) and can you fill in any blanks and correct me if they have revealed anything that clashes with my thoughts XD

    Once again these are not theories but they are just quick thoughts I just this minute had so don't take them completely seriously.

    EDIT: Just got another one

    what if the Unbirths are those who haven't had a chance at life given a chance as a monster but granted this form by someone XD
     
  2. Scott Pilgrim Banned

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    Hmmmm. Not bad thoughts. Roxas could be a mixture of Namine and Roxas because the hearts of Namine and Roxas both came from Sora's body.
     
  3. MadDoctorMaddie I'm a doctor, not a custom title!

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    Definitely seen worse theories than these... I liked the one about the Princesses of Hearts, seems possible to me.
     
  4. Fayt-Harkwind Where yo curly mustache at?

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    don't take me too seriously I hardly know anything about the next games but these where floating in my head and BAM bordem made me post it XD
     
  5. Scott Pilgrim Banned

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    Well, even so, you still know your stuff. I would've never come up with the Princesses of Heart having nobodies *Coughes* *Namine* *Coughes Again*
     
  6. Fayt-Harkwind Where yo curly mustache at?

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    You got what I was thinking, I think, since Kairi has one the rest should have one since there hearts also left their bodies.
     
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    They may but the stasis their bodies were in might have changed the rules some in the end. Kairi's body was free of it and her Heart was in Sora's so it's rough to say if the stasis the others were held in canceled out such a process or not. Since we never saw Nobodies of them, I guess that's how we have to take it for now.

    Kairi's Nobody was formed by the fact her Heart was in Sora's and he used the Dark Keyblade on himself to unlock -his- heart which yes, freed the PoH's hearts to return to their bodies but also unlocked his Heart and turned him into a Shadow while releasing Kairi's heart back to her body. Because she supposedly has -no- Darkness in her Heart, she could not become a Heartless herself. Also, Namine, since Kairi lacked Darkness, was considered less of a Nobody than others were and unique. Note that technically had she had any Darkness, she would have lost her Heart to it in the first place at the Secret Cave but instead it found refuge in Sora, though her body was gone. So it took the Dark Keyblade to give her a Nobody at all. Otherwise it would not have happened, so we can theorize here that since the PoH's hearts were made up of the Dark Keyblade, excluding Kairi's which hid in Sora, that this too made it so they would not have Nobodies themselves and their Hearts would just return to them.

    As for some of the other questions you asked ... (digging these up)

    This is all speculation, but apparently Nomura makes a statement saying that in BBS time, the Keyblades worked not just with the Heart but also with the Soul or mind of a person. I think the Unbirths have more of a relation also with the Soul in the game as Nobodies and Heartless aren't around and the Unbirths are kind of the precursor to the Heartless.

    Why there are so many Keyblades in BBS? Good question. I have pondered that the Keyblades on the field may have a link to the Unbirths in some way as in maybe those are the souls that remained behind in a state, but eh, really I have no idea at this time. I do think though that Roxas and Ven are connected to one another and that the Kingdom Key passed to Sora.

    Sora kind of seems to be the absolute central character. The Keyblade came to him and well, Roxas being tied to him may certainly give him a reason to have a 'duplicate' Keyblade that isn't a fake so much as it is an extension of his connection to Sora. Why he gets Oblivion and Oathkeeper, Nomura stated that it was due to Roxas's connection to Sora but also that Oblivion symbolized connection to Riku and Oathkeeper to Kairi, which again originates from Sora's ties to them. I am also thinking that Ven was attacked in some way by Master Xehanort that attacked his Heart, which Terra does ask him directly 'What did you do to his Heart?' while holding Ven up. I think maybe Ven's soul ended up in Sora to keep it safe and Roxas is basically what remained of that and he received a 'body' because of Sora using the Dark Keyblade on himself. Because Ven was a former Keyblader and also Sora is one, it makes sense why he ended up with a Keyblade himself.

    As for the 14th member, I still lean towards her having connection to Aqua but also maybe Kairi in some way. Namine was clearly Kairi's soul given body by the use of the Dark Keyblade. As for the 14th member, maybe she had her spirit in Kairi's Heart as Sora seemed to me at present time to hold Ven's, which would become Roxas. Either that or Xemnas figured out some way to get Aqua back, having had her armor and such in TWTNW. If though, the 14th member connects to Aqua, it makes sense why she has a Keyblade. Also, if her spirit resided in Kairi and was within her Heart and her Heart was within Sora... well, again, we have a connection to Sora and that the 14th member would have been a Keyblade wielder in the past, so the Kingdom Key being duplicated yet again may be feasible as a theory on why the 14th member possesses it.

    Again, this is totally speculation as I hardly have enough to draw a solid conclusion, but that's kind of what I 'think' may have happened. We know very little about Aqua or the 14th member right now. So, this probably won't help much.
     
  8. Fayt-Harkwind Where yo curly mustache at?

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    Nice theory, although I was only putting these thoughts on the plate I thought that someone would try to answer the rehtorical questions I set up but I know that Roxas had the keyblade because he was half of Sora so I never said he weilded a fake but I meant that due to the speculation of either Xion being of a fake existance or her keyblade being a fake that she may still be the opposite of Roxas due to the aspect of magic she is apparently meant to use when Roxas has more of a physical edge.