Kingdom Hearts II A few questions

Hi everyone, this is my first post, i pretty much came here to ask a few questions, and i'm also going to stay and participate in some other threads as well.

Anyway, i know I might sound like an idiot asking these, but I've played through KH,KHII, KHCOM, KHRECOM multiple times...the only thing i havent done is read the manga xD.and i still don't understand this at all.

1.) What the hell does Roxas have from Sora anyway?

We know that he doesn't have Sora's body, becuase, well, it's CLEARLY Ven's body, and Sora still has a body. What I don't understand is why. Xemnas has Xehanort's body, obviously, though it looks a little different. The only thing I can think of is that he temporarily had Sora's body, but then when Sora got it back Roxas's soul found its way into Ven's.

I don't think he has Sora's soul, either. Kingdom Hearts Wikia describes a soul as what gives life to a body. So the fact that Sora is alive means that he has a soul. The only thing I can think of is that maybe Roxas has half of Sora's soul and half of Ven's, and Sora has half of his own soul and half of Kairi's. But then Kairi only has half a soul -_-'.

As for the heart, that is what gives emotions and memories. Well Roxas has dreams about Sora so that means that he has to have some of his memories, which, logically means that he has some of Sora's heart. However, it is possible that Namine just put those memories in his head. Also, Sora still has emotions and memories after being turned into a heartless.

But he obviously has to have some of Sora as shown by the fact that he goes back inside him while he's sleeping in the pod.
BUT.
He obviously does not have Sora's body, that is very clear. But doesn't that mean that when Roxas's heart/soul went back into Sora, Ven's body should have just lied dead on the floor, right? I mean, Ven's body couldn't have gone INSIDE of Sora...could it? Seriously, I don't get this at all.

2.) Same question about Namine.

I have a few more questions, but my lunch break is over now, so i'll post them later today or tommorow.

Anyway please welcome me to KH-vids.net forum x3

 

Have you thought of it this way:
Heart shapes the form of the person. When you dont have heart you look different. Then if Ven´s heart was inside Sora when he became a heartless, then the Ven´s heart should have gone somewhere like the hearts of the princesses.

Now WHERE would have it gone... NOWHERE! Roxas IS Sora´s body, so Ven´s heart just stayed inside it. Without Sora´s heart Roxas would look different, but Ven´s heart modifies his appearance.

As for Sora´s heart, body and soul... He got new ones from Kairi.

Namine is Sora´s body and is totally blond, because Kairi´s heart had no darkness. So actually in KHII there are 3 pieces of Sora´s body... Yup...

Welcome to KHV :)

 

Wait, wait...The connection between Roxas and Ven has been confirmed or are we just guessing?

Because that seems really weird...

And yeah, welcome to KHV. Hope you like it here.

 

A strong heart doesn't take form of a heartless and the same happen with the nobodies, about the memories, the special nobodies keep the memories of their past life AND Naminé had something to do with them too. Tetsuya confirmed that none of the BBS characters have a direct relation with the original characters, although there may be some surprises. For some reason I don't understand, Sora can't even wake up without Roxas while Kairi is fine without Naminé.

Welcome to the site. :) enjoy it.

 

Okay, its starting to make sense but

1.) where did you get the idea that Ven's heart was in Sora?

2.) It really doesn't make a lot of sense that Kairi, the princesses of heart, and even sora's heart went all over the place when Sora stabbed himself, but Ven's didn't for some reason?

3.) If Sora got a NEW heart, how does he still remember everything?

4.)And is Sora's new body just conjured up by Kairi or is it just a part of hers?

Also, in your post you say that both Roxas and Namine have Sora's body...how does that make sense?

And it still goes back to the question: When Roxas reunited with Sora, why didn't Roxas's body just lie down dead on the floor? two bodies can't just comce together, can they?

Thank you all for the welcomes :D

 

The Ven-part was, obviously, just a theory.

THE EVOLUTION OF SORA(theory parts in red):
Ven´s heart--->Sora´s body
SORA STABS HIMSELF:
Sora´s heart--->darkness
Sora´s body & spirit--->Namine, Roxas
ROXAS IS BORN:
Ven´s heart is inside Sora´s body and it gives form to Roxas resembling Ventus.
NAMINE IS BORN:
Namine is born from Kairi´s pure heart. Heart cant go to darkness-->Namine gets the heart, though Kairi keeps it too :D
SORA IS BROUGHT BACK FROM DARKNESS:
Sora gets a new body, spirit and heart.
CONCLUSION:
There are 3 bodies & spirits of Sora, 1 heart of Sora, 1 heart of Ven, 2 hearts of Kairi.

So this evolution chart tells you that Roxas has Sora´s body, so they can unite, because they are the same.

Cmon, this is Kingdom Hearts. It´s ridiculously complex plot.

@KaiXIII:
Sora could have waken up without Roxas, but to retain his memories he needed to get Roxas back.

 

1. No one confirmed it was Ven's body as far as I know. Sora seemed to be in a coma, so I don't know whether you can count that as living or not. I was pretty sure that Roxas has Sora's memories, and half of his heart. Same thing with Namine.
The one thing that cnfused me was that Namine and Kairi are still waking around, while Sora is in a coma and Roxas is walking around confused. I think Kairi retains the part of her heart that keeps her walking around, while Roxas retains the part of Sora's heart that he needs to be walking around. Namine is...her own self, so she retains Kairi's other half, but both can be walking around.

 

Seems like you didnt play Chain of Memories or you didnt get the ending part of it. Sora is in 'coma' to regain his memories, because he lost them in Chain of Memories.

 

I did, but it confused me beyond hell. The whole Castle Oblivion and Namine screwed around with his memories, so he had to be put in a coma to help fix them, right? And during that time everyone forgot about him. I think that maybe helped Kairi stay walking around, but since we don't know much about her in the two years Roxas was playing Organization member and Xion was around, maybe she wasn't walking around. Xion could have been the one that needed to get together with her.

 

Okay, I'm starting to side with the "Ven's heart was in Sora" theory. Because, well, as far as I know, the stronger someone's heart was, the more human their nobody would look. That would explain why Xemnas looks almost exactly like Xehanort. Xehanort's heart was even strong enough to make his heartless look human. That's impressive xD.

But anyway, as we know, Sora's heart is very strong, as shown by the fact that the keyblade chose him. That being the case, if Roxas had Sora's heart, why wouldn't he retain Sora's human appearance? Sora's heart is very strong. The only thing that would make sense is that Sora had VENS heart, which is evidently very strong because it made Roxas look just like Ven.

The only other alternative is that Roxas does have Sora's heart and Ven's body, but if that were true, Ven's body should have just fallen down dead when Roxas's heart went back into Sora.

It still begs the question though: Does Roxas have Sora's body or soul? I just kind of find it very suspicious that Kairi is just somehow able to conjure up brand new bodies.

 

there is a possibility of ven being sora's brother so there is no way ven can be part of sora

Namine isn't part of sora..she just controlled everything that happened to him in CoM while she modified with DiZ and Axel on sora's memory in KH2

so only one part of sora is roxas..which just seems like a connection between sora, roxas, and ven nothing else