There is a lot of uncertainty when it comes to Kingdom hearts. What is the difference between The KH of worlds and the KH of Man? How could the Org use it to become complete? Was it a fake? I wish to disscus this with all of you. Here's what I think so far: In secret report XIII or somewhere, Nomura said that Ansem, seeker of Darkness went around capturing worlds with the heartless. Kingdom hearts of worlds was one of them. This leans towards that kingdom hearts being real. This is how I explain Kingdom hearts of worlds: The heart of each world is the culmination of all things living in that world. Kingdom hearts of worlds is the culmination of the world's hearts. This is why it is called "the heart of all worlds." As for the Kingdom hearts of Man, it seems to me that when a heart is released from a heartless, and that heart's body became a nobody, the heart waits in suspension, but it doesn't say were. It is just probably where ever they are at the time, unless they're moved. It seems to me that the kingdom heart of man is not artificially, yet doesn't occur naturally. When large amounts of hearts are brought together, it seems that is in their nature to join together and form a large heart, like the kingdom hearts of worlds. It seems that the organization was warping hearts using the darkness into TWTNW, were they joined together. There are a few reasons I think they used the darkness to gather the hearts. First of all, one time it shows hearts rising up and they are engulfed by darkness and disappear. Also, when you beat the cursed boss with the medallions, the second time through Port Royal, the boss' heart goes towards Luxord's hand, and he makes it disappear in darkness. This shows that it is all the organization’s doing, and doesn't naturally happen. Xaldin said, in Beast's castle, something like, "Only when Kingdom hearts is complete will can we truly, finally exist. We always knew it was part of their plan to become whole again, but it was always unclear how. If a nobody dies after their hearts are freed from the heartless, then they could possibly be complete, but it is unknown whether or not they knew that or not. It is possible that if they capture a heart of someone who wasn't turned into a nobody, they would just go back to their body (like they usually do) and not merge with their Kingdom Hearts. This would mean that the Kingdom hearts of Man would be entirely made up of Nobodies' former hearts. That could be it, but then it would be hard to know when it was "complete" or not since they would need specific hearts. It seems it might be more complex than that. I am missing something. One thing that I'd like to point out: After KH of man explodes, hearts fall on a bunch of nobodies, and they are dancing. they don't become whole or disappear, at least not that we see.
Forward: This theory was developed through theorizing with others for about a month. I’m sorry it is so long. I had to make sure I covered everything and gave sufficient proof. I give shout outs to anyone I theorized with, since you have all helped me develop this theory. I have split it up into 3 main parts and those parts into sub-parts for an easier read. Please comment to help develop this theory even more! I would actually like you to be as critical as possible. Table of Contents: (use Ctrl F to find certain parts) 1. About Xehanort 1 a) The Es is Xehanort. 1 b) Xehanort doesn’t have to hate himself 1 c) Xehanort’s “Heartless†2. Birth by Sleep 2 a) Intro 2 b) Room of Sleep 2 c) The room of Awakening 3. Worlds and Time 3 a) Memory of a nobody 3 b) Worlds are like people 3 c) Time: the past. 4. References 1. About Xehanort 1 a) The Es is Xehanort. This theory consists of the tall, dark haired knight (Larry) being Xehanort. Since a lot of people don't agree, I will briefly try to prove it. First of all, if you compare pictures of the knight and Xehanort (not Xehanort's heartless) similarities become very evident. They have the same unique chin that points up slightly, same eyebrows, and a similar hair style. It is (as we all know) possible to change one's hairstyle over time, which could account for the small differences. Although it was announced that the knights are all-new characters, it could still be Xehanort. His persona from before he lost his memory could be considered a 'different character.' That’s how Nomura likes to mess with our heads. One big argument is that there hair color isn't even the same, and he is not old. First of all, he could be old. We don't how long he was with Ansem the Wise. Secondly, severe trauma can cause hair to white prematurely, and also memory loss, for that matter. There are a lot of things indicating that he has something to do with the keyblade wars. Firstly, during Xigbar and Zexion's conversation in Fm+, Xigbar states that there is a direct connection between the end of the keyblade war and a memoriless man being found by Ansem the Wise. Xemnas makes several comments as if he knew stuff about the keyblade. An example would be, "Ah, The keyblade, such a marvelous weapon. If only it were in more...capable hands. (Cue evil laughter)" He called the armor (which belonged to aqua) his "old friend" meaning he (well, Xehanort) knew her personally. And finally, his eyes turn orange at the end of the video, signifying that he gave into the darkness. Orange eyes are the result of using the darkness too much, although it doesn’t affect those without hearts. Ansem the Wise had blue eyes, but then after he uses the dark portals too much, his eyes turned orange. A lot of the members of Organization XIII have orange eyes, but that’s because their others flaunted the darkness before they became heartless. Since the nobodies have their other’s former bodies, they have their eyes. As suggested by Kanji from the kh-vids.net forums, Riku wore a blindfold for a while, probably to hide his orange eyes. Mickey said he wore the blindfold because, "His eyes couldn't lie." This means that by looking into Riku's eyes, you can see he has been playing around with the darkness. We also see a color change in the ES, proving that there are circumstances were one's eyes change color. The reason I call them Orange eyes, is because they can vary from a dim orange (yellow) to a deep orange (goldish-colour), depending on how much one has used the darkness. The facial features are too similar to ignore, especially since he gets the orange eyes at the end of the video. 1 b) Xehanort doesn’t have to hate himself Then there is the enigmatic solder as a secret boss in Fm+. The armor looks similar to Larry's, (the only differences, pointed out by Boywithhair on the Playstation.com boards, are probably due to the fact that one is in Cg, while the other isn't) but many people don't think Larry and Xehanort could be the same person because of the things he says: “Aqua… Ven… Keyblade… who are you? I can feel it… we have met before… it was when… No… it isn’t you… It isn’t you that I have chosen… Why is it not him… Xe… ha… nort… is that you? Xeha… nort… Xehanort!" When you come back for a rematch, he says how much he hates Xehanort. However, that is not necessarily true. I think they made it make little sense purposely, so people would just ignore the possibility of them being the same person. I believe that Sora fights Larry is in the past, the distant past, even. I think this because the way you get to the boss is through a big swirling vortex that could potentially be a time warp. Additionally, since it is in Mickey's basement, we can assume that it way used by him to go back in time to get involved in/witness the fight, possibly as instructed by Yen Sid while he was still his apprentice (explains the Star Seeker keyblade (Sora was given the star seeker by Yen Sid, so it looks like he gave it to Mickey by him too, during his training)) It is not so hard to think that Mickey has a portal to the past in his basement, since he has that door that leads to that black and white past world. So, based on all of that, I theorize this: Originally, Larry was not Xehanort. He could have been called Larry, for all we know. In fact he hated someone else named Xehanort, possibly baldy. This Xehanort was originally a partner of Ansem the wise. He leaves Ansem, and then he then finds the chasers (The knights) and possibly trains them. During the video, there are instances that indicate that the chasers had a past relationship with Baldy. When Baldy is holding Ven by the helmet, it appears as if he is just torturing him by letting him squirm. However, if you look at Baldy's face when it zooms into his face, you can see that he looks like he's lamenting, almost regretful. Then he smiles a crooked smile and drops him off a cliff. He smiles almost all through the video, and normally, he would be all smiles after pulling off such an awesome move like that without even looking back, but he isn't. Even his smile before he dropped Ven off the cliff was much smaller than usual, indicating that it is forced. He also hesitates before dropping him. Additionally, when he saw Baldy, he started to run forwards, but was held back by Larry. Eventually, he leaves them to open Kingdom Hearts or whatever, and Larry and the Chasers need to stop him. This would explain Larry's hatred toward "Xehanort" since he had betrayed them. Due to a traumatic event, possibly what comes after in the video, he loses his memory and his hair turns white prematurely. He is then found by Ansem the Wise, who does one of two things: He mistakes him for the original Xehanort(It is possible that baldy wasn't bald when he left) and tells him that’s who he is Missing having a companion, (He doesn’t have any since his other apprentices came after Xehanort)he names him after Xehanort. It is ironic that he should be named after the one he hated so much, but this can signify a number of things on the symbolic level. Although Xehanort without the 'x' is an anagram for 'no heart,' it is also an anagram of 'another,' signifying that there was one before him.(also, Xemnas' computer password at the beginning of the “Room of Sleep†scene was 'another') Since he eventually becomes a heartless, he 'lives up to his name.' 1 c) Xehanort’s “Heartless†I am starting to think that Xehanort's heartless, was not a heartless after all. He did turn into a heartless, therefore creating Xemnas, but then he turned back without knowing it. This is why he could still think and plan. There are a couple of things that make me think this. First of all Nomura suggests in "another report XIII" (referrenced below) that Xemnas is possibly a 'special nobody,' like Roxas and Naminé. A special nobody just means a nobody that was born in an irregular way. Also, in CoM, Axel says that Sora was only the second person to return to his body after creating a nobody. This implies that one of the other members is a special nobody. Axel couldn't have been referring to Kairi. I can't remember if he actually said after creating a heartless or nobody, but either way, Kairi has no heartless, and technically, no nobody. Ok, it’s kind of hard to explain, but its true. Naminé is actually NOT a nobody. If you don't believe me, read the secret Ansem reports again. (Pages 9 and 10) Normally, a heart leaves the body and becomes a heartless; the body goes to the realm of in-between and becomes a nobody. Naminé was created when Kairi's heart left Sora's body, so Kairi's body never actually left to the realm of in-between. However, Naminé was still created as a sort of 'proof of losing her heart.' Naminé is not a nobody, because she lacks the very essence of what a nobody is: their other's soul and body. Notice how she is very plain? She is, in essence, part of Kairi, but she isn't a nobody. Since she lacks Kairi's body, she also lacks her memories. She is a very unstable 'being.' A nobody is a body and soul. Naminé is not a body and soul. She is therefore not a nobody. Therefore, he couldn't be referring to Kairi, since she had nether a heartless or a nobody. 2. Birth by Sleep 2 a) Intro Birth by sleep could mean a number of things. It could mean the birth of Xehanort as Ansem's apprentice through the loss of memory (or "sleep") of whoever he was before. It would be considered 'sleep' and not 'death' of this persona, since forgotten memories can be remembered again, thus 'waking up' his past self. It could refer to the birth of a nobody, or many other things, but I believe it is something new, since it appeared in the secret videos of Kh2. 2 b) Room of Sleep I believe that the room of sleep is able to put a nobodies' current self to sleep, to temporarily access his past self in a more vivid way than just remembering. There are many things that make me think this. Early in the Xigbar and Zexion conversation scene (referenced below) Vexen says something along the lines of, "What is he doing sleeping at a time like this?" This implies that he is actually ‘sleeping’ to some degree. Vexen is a scientist type, so he would know how to room works. He couldn't resist finding out. Also, if he was just referring to activity in the room of sleep as sleeping, that would be a pun, and Vexen is not one to make jokes, especially when upset. Secondly, the First thing Xigbar says to Zexion a little later in that scene is, "I not too good in that place. How 'bout you Mister Zexion?" The room of sleep is not confidential to Xemnas, other Members of the Organization can use it too. It seems, however, it is not as big of a draw to the other members. They can still remember their pasts, though not as vividly as in the room of sleep. Xemnas uses it so much, because he normally can't remember his past at all. And finally, when Xemnas goes into the room of sleep(scene referenced below), he presses something and the room 'turns on,' indicating that it's not just a room with a chair and some armor in it. The markings on the wall are those of a nobody, meaning it was made by or is used for nobodies (or possible both). The room of sleep is not even in TWTNW, but in Hollow Bastion, so it is not just because it is in the Castle that Never was, because it's not. My guess is that when a nobody is in The Room of sleep, it is almost as if they have a heart. Some would be repulsed by the fact that it is only an illusion, though Xemnas, not remembering how it feels to have a heart (as he stated before that dragon thing comes around during the last boss) would be compelled to make this Room, and use it. Xigbar did say that the room of awakening was the one not built by Xemnas, implying he was the one the build the ‘Room of Sleep’. 2 c) The room of Awakening It may seem that the ‘Room of Awakening’ is in Castle Oblivion, already made by someone else. This is not necessarily the case. I find it hard to believe that after 6 members living there for a few months that they were simply ‘unable to find it.’ As stated in the “secret director’s interview,†(referenced below) the Organization did many experiments on memory using Naminé. Perhaps all they were told was that they were experiments “for better understanding the heart,†but the true objective of Castle Oblivion was to get the information to build the room of awakening. Although it was originally thought that Castle Oblivion had the room of awakening in it, it could be that it was required to make it. Naminé was important to the organization because of her influence on memory. Xemnas needed her to make the room of awakening. However, Marluxia betrayed him, and tried to use her to overthrow the organization. After the events of Castle Oblivion, Naminé escaped the clutches of the organization and went on to repair Sora's memory. Being no longer able to gather information on the room of awakening, Xemnas came up with his "use Kingdom Hearts" plan. Yet it is also possible that he was able to build the “Room of Awakening.†It could have something to do with the fact that hearts released from heartless went to their Kingdom Hearts, since (as Nomura states in the interview below) it is peculiar for that to happen. Usually, the heart returns to the body, and in the case of a nobody being created, the heart remains suspended until the nobody is defeated, then the nobody joins with their hearts. If a nobody is defeated before their hearts are released from their heartless, then the nobody plunges into darkness. Somehow, they are able to collect hearts after they are released. Since we don’t know how they did this, it is possible it has something to do with the room of awakening. 3. Worlds and Time 3 a) Memory of a nobody In CoM we are lead to believe that the memories are stored in the heart, because things Naminé says. However, since Nobodies have memory, it would seem to be in the body or soul. Alternatively, Reiyyan from the Kingdomhearts3.org boards suggests that nobodies, may have some connection to their hearts to be able to access their memories. This makes sense since ‘special nobodies’ usually have problems with memory. Because the heart is in their other’s body, they could somehow loose access to their memories. 3 b) Worlds are like people Also, since a world is like a person, (with a body, soul, and heart) is it not possible for worlds to have nobodies, too? When the stars flicker out, that would be like them turning into a "heartless," and perhaps "The end of the World" that Sora visits in Kh1 is an example of a heartless world. Nobody worlds would be in the realm of 'in-between,' like Twilight town, Castle Oblivion, Yen Sid’s Tower, Dark Coastline etc… I think that the Dark Coastline, where Riku and Sora are at the end of KH2, could be the nobody world of destiny islands. That would explain why they found the bottle there, since nobodies are connected with their others. Riku even said, “At least the waves sound the same.†This illustrates a connection between the two worlds. In The Secret report XIII, Nomura says that the dark coastline contains the boarder of the dark realm, and the sea is the beginning of the realm of Darkness. However, it was not necessarily always there. 3 c) Time: the past. There are many things that lead me to believe the Fm+ Secret video took place in the past and not the future. First of all, Mickey appears at the end and with the star seeker key blade. Mickey probably got the keyblade from Yen Sid. Since Yen Sid gave Sora this keychain, it seems, since Mickey was his apprentice, that Yen Sid gave Mickey it while he was training him. After he got the keyblade from the dark realm he gave it back. This points to it being in the past. It seemed that he was just observing the battle, possibly as told by Yen Sid. When Sora goes to fight the Enigmatic Soldier, it is through a portal in Mickey's basement. Mickey could have used that same portal to get there. It wouldn’t make sense for it to be in the future since Sora currently owns this keychain. There are a lot of people who argue that it was announced that the secret video is in the future. This misinterpretation is from an interview. In a summary of the interview (referenced below), it was said that "The secret movie is connected to what is coming in the future! (Let the theories begin!) Nomura says it would be a shame if you miss out on it.� By 'coming up in the future' I'm pretty sure it's talking about our future. As in when the next game comes out. Meaning 'the secret video is connected to the next game that's coming out." Even if it was referring to the game, what happens in the past is connected to what happens in the future. Therefore, it was never announced that the secret video is in the future. Also, There is a line in the first Ansem reports that says †One legend says its wielder [of the keyblade] saved the world, while another says that he wrought chaos and ruin upon it." So it must have been a legend by then. When it put it in the video, I think it was meant to say that 'this is the legend.' If it is a legend by the time this was written, it means it takes place in the past. Furthermore, Xemnas refers to Aqua’s armor as his ‘old friend.’ Whatever the reason is for this is irrelevant at this point. It couldn’t have taken place in the future, or Xemnas wouldn’t know who she was. Also, the legend that Kairi’s grandmother speaks of in Kh1 could possibly be referring to the Keyblade war. Lastly, in Kh1, King Trident regarded the keyblade as evil. It was as if he heard the legend of the wielder bringing ruin upon the world. 4. References Secret Report XIII: http://www.kingdomhearts3.net/another-report/pages-26-27 Xigbar and Zexion’s conversation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lD_recdbNkg Xemnas in the ‘room of sleep’ scene: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FCTPZ1qjBE&mode=related&search= Summery of interview that says the video is connected to what is coming in the future: http://www.kingdomhearts3.org/showthread.php?t=2331
Yep that's right. Naminé is indeed not a nobody, as stated in the secret Ansem reports. Normally, a heart leaves the body and becomes a heartless; the body goes to the realm of in-between and becomes a nobody. Naminé was created when Kairi's heart left Sora's body, so Kairi's body never actually left to the realm of in-between. However, Naminé was still created as a sort of 'proof of losing her heart.' Naminé is not a nobody, because she lacks the very essence of what a nobody is: their other's soul and body. Notice how she is very plain? She is, in essence, part of Kairi, but she isn't a nobody. Since she lacks Kairi's body, she also lacks her memories. Also, she is a very unstable 'being.' I found this kinda weird and would like to discuss it.
