I'd have found it hilarious if Chris Columbus had returned for the 7th book. He said he was taking a break from HP after the first two films, so I was expecting him to return for at least one more. :p But yeah, if they split it up into two films, it'd be like...Titanic, Sound of Music, Back to the Future, the last two movies in the Matrix Trilogy or Pirates of the Caribbean. It might work, it might not. But the 6th movie has to come out and wow the audience first...:sideways:
Wow. Repliku finally showed up. He pretty much covered most of the points out there, so I'm going to go ahead and work on my stories some more. This was fun, I'll be back if I'm needed. And *TwilightNight*, I only went and fought you because Pika_Power wasn't online. I'll quietly go back and hide in the light until I'm summoned again... *fades into light*
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Yeah, the shadows were kinda hard to do freehand. I didn't want to end up burning their faces to an indistinguishable crisp. :sweatdrop: And I agree. Vexen's a perverted pedophile. The background and the hood are all from an official screenshot. I didn't modify that at all. The only thing I changed was Vexen's face. And I figured since that's where you fought Vexen anyway...
Here we go... Dude. Keep using DBZ references and you'll be forcing me to use LittleKuriboh quotes. :sly: And it's VEGETA, not VAGETA. Having a KH without Sora is like justifying the Org's actions. It's inconvenient, but it gets the plot moving. And how the heck does bringing some music guy I never heard of have anything to do with this argument? Not to mention I thought the "Key of Destiny" was Roxas. Plus, remember you guys saying Sora was an idiot? He wouldn't have advanced very far in the storyline without the assistance of others. In fact, he probably would've been killed in front of the train station if Mickey hadn't shown up. That's not the point. They knowingly created MORE Heartless for Sora to defeat. They didn't move the existing Heartless in front of Sora. It was their own creations they added to the mix giving Sora more work to do. Did I say Kairi did anything? Other than fanservice, eye candy, panty shots, sensual poses, and fodder for the perverts out there (*coughVexencough*), she was pretty much useless. Riku, however, helped destroy (or considerably weaken) the Org members in CoM. He also helped rescue Namine, Kairi, Axel (thanks to *TwilightNight*'s new info) and Sora. So, Riku was still on his own adventure assisting Sora when he least expected it. Pfft. Xemnas wasn't even really trying in that battle. Since this is at the end of the game and Xemnas never fought Sora (besides the first FM), he was probably "testing" Sora's power (as you have argued before). When he gauged Sora's power level (no DBZ pun intended), he decided to absorb KH for himself to take on everyone participating. Again, "Destroy" and not "Defeat." And I was referring to KH2 only since that's where the Org is. Darkside doesn't count due to it happening before Sora met the Org. Roxas may be a part of Sora, but he still counted as an individual entity at the time. Sephiroth wasn't destroyed. The 1000 Heartless was the Org's idea. Roxas was defeated, but not destroyed. Same with Dark Riku. Xehanort's Heartless was in KH1, so he doesn't count. Not to mention he had Donald and Goofy to help finish him off. That's because the cutscenes aren't FMVs. If they were, Sora'd probably be in his regular outfit. Heck, if you hack Final Form Sora vs. Final Xemnas, you'd end up with the CGI in his regular outfit anyway. In other words, the Drive Forms during cutscenes are a visual effect only. Hey, get your own quote. :p But seriously, I'm starting to think that we're bringing up the same arguments over and over again. There has to be some middle ground somewhere that we can all agree on. I also find it pretty convenient for your side to avoid quoting the undebatable topics (Saix/Seifer). My argument: It all started back in front of the Twilight Town station. The Org attacked first. They're bullies who abuse their powers to manipulate events for their own personal gain. Your argument: The only way to foil the Org's plan is to let the Heartless run amok. My argument: Sora has no choice in the matter as the Keyblade is stuck with him whether he wants it or not. Your argument: That's why Sora's not justified because he's doing something that he'd end up doing anyway. My argument: They create their own artificial Heartless that wouldn't have existed otherwise and send it after Sora because the Org is too narrow-minded in finding another way. Your argument: They're congregating Heartless into one area so Sora has an easier time finding them. My argument: They're still adding to Sora's workload by adding their own Heartless and Nobodies to the mix. Your argument: So you'd rather let the Heartless win over innocent people and the Nobodies? My argument: I'd rather Sora have to fight the Heartless that are already there instead of the Org adding more problems and obstacles that Sora has no choice but to overcome. Does that sum up that part of the debate so far? ____________ Let me respond to that with a Xemnas quote: So let me ask, when exactly did he say that he would share it with all Nobodies? :huh: For all we know, he could be using the royal "we." And he was asking for power to kill those who opposed him. You're freakin' kidding me, right? Larxene basically had Sora on the ropes. If Donald and Goofy hadn't come to the rescue, he'd have been charcoal. And Namine never told Sora it was the right thing to do. She gave him a choice. Dude. By this point Sora's memories and thoughts were messed up. If no one told him that his memories were being tampered with, he'd have never known. Vexen tried telling him that, but it only succeeded in confusing Sora even more. In other words, Sora was no longer in his right mind, so most rational decisions are out the window.
Still fighting... My apologies. I was thinking of that Heartless factory in Ansem the Wise's study. The one they used to use to create the artificial Heartless. And remember that Sora wasn't alone in most of the battles against the Org. Beast helped him against Xaldin. Donald and Goofy helped with most of the other Org members. Jack Sparrow would've fought Luxord and Mulan would've fought Xigbar if they had the chance (and I'm wishing someone would do a hacked fight with them as party members...) But I'd still like you to justify Saix's actions in Twilight Town. The getting Sora's attention argument doesn't justify him attacking a bunch of kids with foam bats. That's what I meant by "bullying" and "abusing." I brought that point up a few posts back and what I said was that Sora had no choice in the matter. He'd have to fight the Heartless regardless, whether he wanted to or not. It's not that he wouldn't have helped the Org if they weren't screwing around with his life. It's the fact that he was being used since he woke up and him realizing that the Org was responsible for all the chaos he's been going through is the reason Sora refused to work with them. And who sent the Heartless? True, the worlds already had their share of Heartless, but the Org decided to increase the load. Besides, Sora's not invincible. He can't keep fighting without rest (or Potions), but the Org give him more to fight anyway. I beg to differ. Xaldin turned Beast against everyone in his castle. Luxord cursed Jack Sparrow. Xigbar turned the Storm Dragon on the palace. Saix, I already stated above. The only one that I wouldn't really classify as a bully would be Demyx. I never said that he was evil. He was just picked on for his timidity and meekness. But it was still the Org that ordered him to appear in Sora's path. Kinda like a sacrificial lamb or a scapegoat. That way, if Demyx was destroyed, it gives you the arguments of Sora being out for Org blood and everything that happens after that is justified for the Org. In other words, yes, Demyx is a victim, but it was the Org's fault for putting him there in the first place. What do you mean he defeated Saix by himself? Donald and Goofy participated in that fight as distractions. (or backup healers). My point is they still assisted him. And I also said "destroy" not "defeat." Defeating would be like that Roxas fight. Roxas still lived afterwards. Destroying would be like the Org members he took out. I've played FF7 and managed to equip my Materia in such a way, it automatically gave Barret 7777 status. Every single time. Sephy didn't even have a chance to attack. :D But back on topic. Donald and Goofy served as distractions (as I said above). If you hacked those two into the fight, Sephy will target them first which leaves him wide open for Sora. Not for very long, but it's still a window of opportunity. But Sora still needed assistance. He wouldn't have been able to defeat...excuse me...destroy or even reach Jafar without its help. Sora would've probably just been shooting Blizzaga spells from the rooftops in the hopes it would reach Jafar. Kinda like a peashooter versus a tank. And yet they tweaked the circumstances to their own advantage. The Org worked for their own selfish reasons (their "race") while Sora was trying to protect the world order (not for himself, but for everybody else). That's my point. Has Sora ever destroyed a boss without assistance? He can't Drive without Donald or Goofy. (Limit Form doesn't count as it wasn't in Sora's original repertoire.) And Mickey always comes in to save his keister if he's knocked out. Name one boss in KH2 that Sora was able to destroy single-handedly without any assistance whatsoever. (Luxord doesn't count either.) That comment made me secretly loathe Kairi. Hence why I torment her (in more ways than one) in my stories. :) But back to the topic on hand. And I still stand by my "destroy" not "defeat" statement. It's in my user profile, girl friend. And if you've read my stories, you'd know without a doubt. :sly: Thanks. Because right now you have access to information that we can't use, so trying to argue points that are covered in the novels pretty much gives you an unfair advantage.
I've been trying to figure that out too. From what I heard, banned members are able to lurk the forum, but they're forbidden from posting anything...
Okay, let me throw a question out there. Throughout the entire KH2 game, has Sora ever abused his powers for his own selfish reasons? If your answer's yes, when? If your answer's no, then answer the question if the Org abused THEIR powers. They obviously had a year's advantage over Sora. They had powers, technology and more strength than Sora. And it's also been proven that the Keyblade isn't the ONLY weapon that can release hearts. When one is stronger than others and abuses their powers, that person's called a bully, right? Now start ticking off the stuff that the Org has done that constitutes them mentally or physically hurting others for their own personal agenda. And you can't use the argument of "testing" Sora, because they're still abusing their powers to mess with him. You use the argument that the Org knows that Sora can destroy anything they throw at him. That's where you're wrong. Sora CAN NOT defeat most enemies on his own. I'm talking about the battles that require Donald, Goofy or a world ally. Sure, they might SEEM useless, but they still make a difference nonetheless. If Sora could take on bosses on his own, he might as well be Riku. It's not that the Org's underestimating Sora, it's they're giving him too much credit for the kills he makes. The only boss that Sora had to kill by himself was Luxord. Sephiroth doesn't count, since Cloud was the one who finished him off. Jafar doesn't count either, because Sora needed the Magic Carpet to assist him. My point is that Kairi was right in saying, "You know how hopeless he is without us." Sora relies on other's strengths to destroy a boss. I say "destroy" and not "defeat." Huge difference. In conclusion, the Org were bullies which constitutes as "evil." And they started this fight, NOT Sora. BTW *TwilightNight*, I'm flattered that you think I'm a girl. :p But where do you get the KH2 novels if they're not out yet? That's top-class info that we have no way of verifying...
No, it chooses the person with the STRONGEST heart. That's how come Riku was able to take Sora's Keyblade back in KH1 (and vice versa)
Here's how I see the Organization: Vexen: He's a perverted pedophile that probably did things to Namine when we weren't watching. :xp: Kidding. Don't take that as my argument. He's a scientist that has nothing better to do than to create little boys and make them fight each other for his own amusement. Marluxia: Manipulated Sora. Led him to Castle Oblivion. Made Sora believe he was in love with Kairi's Nobody. Larxene: Sadistic, cruel, kicks and abuses little kids. Worked with Marluxia. Zexion: Sora had nothing to do with him, but he did try to play on Riku's doubts. Deserved what he got. Lexaeus: Same as Zexion. But since Sora doesn't remember anything that happened during that time period and he wasn't exactly himself, those Org members don't qualify. Demyx: I'm going to make this clear right now. Demyx had NO intention of running away. He only turned his back on Sora and the others because he wanted to keep the little dignity he had left. Probably would've cried or wet his pants if he had a heart. The Org basically threw him out there as a scapegoat. If it was anyone's fault, it was the Org for sending him out there in the first place. Xigbar: Taunted Sora after the Org did their disappearing act at the Bailey. Had a chance to explain what was going on during the silence between them, but opted to disappear. Was also responsible for the Storm Dragon. Saix: Like Larxene, he went and picked on little kids. Even if it were to get Sora's attention, there's still no grounds for attacking Seifer, Fuu, and Rai. They were only armed with foam bats. He commanded Berserkers. Also summoned the Heartless swarm twice after Sora. Luxord: Put the curse on Jack Sparrow again. Sends out an Emblem Heartless after them. Destroys the Interceptor (or Black Pearl, whichever) with his cannons. Traps Sora's friends in cards. Xaldin: The whole Beast argument. 'Nuff said. Xemnas: This was all his idea to begin with. To manipulate a kid with a giant key. Didn't explain anything until the very end. Axel: HIM, I don't think deserved what he got. He atoned for his mistakes. And Sora didn't kill him, so he's a moot point. Roxas: Self-explanatory. And let's not forget SOMEONE gave the Peddler Jafar's lamp. Don't know which one, but someone did. And Pika_Power, we already know what the argument's going to be. Anything after the Demyx scene will be considered null and void. There's no escaping that fact. The best chance we've got is to use any evidence that happened before that point...
Twilight Thorn is to Roxas as Darkside is to Sora. That's all there is to it. :)
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It's the only way to play as Riku without using a cheat device. That and it's also the only way to fight against the other Org members without KH2:FM or Re:CoM.
*Mickey confronts Xemnas.* Mickey: Xehanort! Xemnas: How long has it been since I abandoned that name... Sora: Out with it, Nobody! Where's Kairi? Where's Riku!? Xemnas: I know nothing of any Kairi. As for Riku...Perhaps you should ask your king. *Xemnas steps into the portal of darkness.* Mickey: Stop! *Mickey dives in after him.* *Sora and co. start after them, but the portal closes.* Sora: He's gone. *Sora collapses to ground, utterly defeated.* *Donald notices the mass of Heartless have all disappeared.* I'd like to also point out that Sora must've had SOME inkling of Roxas. How else would he have known who was in that picture of the Twilight gang in front of the mansion? (The photo Riku gave them in the Realm of Darkness) Because when you look at Roxas picture, is the name "Roxas" the first name that comes to mind?
Sora'd probably be like: "In that case, wear some pants. I can see up your dress when you hover." :p
I was trying to be funny, but if you wanted me to reply... "I would rather help real people live, and destroy the regular Heartless that plague the worlds, than take on any artificial Heartless the Organization sent themselves." And when exactly did that happen? Right after Demyx, correct? If I talk about that, you'd still counter with the "Sora spat in their face" argument. So, I'm going to try staying away from that topic... Because once Sora realized he was being used and played for a sap, he didn't feel like being a team player for the Org. Face it, he may be an idiot, but he's not THAT gullible. Once he realized it was the Organization's fault for all the crap he's been going through, of course he's doesn't want them to succeed. He only continued destroying Heartless because he had no choice in the matter. I'd get into the whole Saix/Xigbar Heartless ambush in the Castle, but we already know how that argument would turn out. Besides, what was Sora going to do? Saix summons Heartless to attack him and he'd just stand there and get himself killed? He was only defending himself for as long as possible while he could figure out a way out of the situation. We also know by sending the Heartless and Nobodies to other worlds, the Org is indirectly responsible for the world's chaos. "True love?" Were you trying to make a joke there? :huh: AFTER splitting him up again? Even if they WERE going for that goal, Riku wouldn't allow the Organization to kill his best friend just to revive Roxas. Plus, unlike Sora who had his memories erased of Castle Oblivion's Org members, Riku knew exactly what happened. He wouldn't let the Org change him into a Heartless again. Especially not after everything he did to merge Sora back with Roxas. And you meant changing Sora into a Heartless, right? Axel parted ways from Riku and Namine, so whatever he did was completely unknown to Riku. Or else Riku would've tried to prevent Axel from doing what he did. Simple. Because they had no remorse for the people they harmed. AND Riku was possessed. The Org were acting of their own free will. The Heartless and Nobodies interfered with the worlds long before Sora or Riku ever meddled in them. There's a difference. Repliku was artificially created and was also messed with by the Organization. He was their "toy" and he couldn't do anything about it. After learning that he would always be considered a Riku duplicate, he snapped and went after the real Riku. And the rest is history.
I didn't take into consideration that female shoulders are less broad than males. I was wondering what was bothering me about hers. It's supposed to be her neck, not a double chin...:p
Um...didn't she? I mean if she could make that jump from a balcony and survive...
Dude. I'm into sex, not violence. :sly: Are you going with the whole Demyx argument again? Because I already gave you evidence of everything that happened before that point. So any event and/or situation that I give you after that point in the game would be for naught. We both know this. And you also neglected to mention, Sora was going to fight regardless. Reluctantly, but regardless. He had no choice since the Heartless would be drawn to the Keyblade. Well, that's your opinion. It'd still depend on the experiment. BTW, when the conversation between Xemnas and Saix (from Final Mix) happened, how do we know that they weren't trying to split Sora into his Heartless and Roxas again? They obviously knew that Sora would be angry. And the fact that his anger and hatred with himself would continue to grow as he kept fighting. It'd be the exact same thing Xaldin was trying to do with Beast. Only in this case, the Org would have no intention of bringing Sora back. Why else would they send Axel to bring back Roxas?
She'd probably shrug and go, "Meh. Riku can fight blindfolded." :p
