I did not realise this was the case, I'm sorry, I'm really bad for this. Thing is I've found I'm often online when nobody else is due to timezones, I have to stay up at night to catch the active period. Due to this I'll often think of something and post it immediately then think of something else later and since I can't edit, I double post. Sorry.
@The Fuk? I'm sorry, I actually don't know at this point and I know what you mean, I think you might be right here. I think if you turn out to be town, both What? and Makaze will come under suspicion tomorrow. Though, if it's okay, may I ask you who you think are the most likely to be Town? We know who you think are Mafia, but who do yo think we can trust?
Apologies, I wasn't going to let it fall to a no lynch. Same as last time, I knew I'd be online right up to deadline so I was kinda just waiting to see if anything would happen. Like last time everyone suddenly appeared at once and turned it into a hard lynch, I was wanting to give people as much time as possible so I didn't want to push it towards a hard lynch. I knew I'd be on in time for if nobody did vote, then I could still secure the lynch. Sorry for worrying you. Vote: The Fuk?
That's what I do usually, but Mafia's got me posting currently.
Thanks for posting @What? I know the feeling with everything being hectic. That said, any post you can manage will be appreciated, they don't have to all be long and detailed. And everyone, I believe we currently have 4 votes for The Fuk?, one away from a soft lynch. So after the next vote for him, nobody else vote for him!! I want to make the most of all our time and if possible give The Fuk the maximum time to respond and voice his thoughts/suspicions.[DOUBLEPOST=1409939927][/DOUBLEPOST]Guys, we have 3 hours left, where is everyone??
Okay, so here's where I currently stand. The Fuk does seem a little suspicious in his single mindedness against Makaze BUT check his posts, Makaze is literally the only person he has voiced suspicions about. Remember, the whole thing about the only reason we can think they killed Tale? To deprive us of information? We might not be gaining much at all from The Fuk?. Well let's see, if he's Mafia, yay, and Makaze suddenly seems a lot more town also we check who defended him; If he's Town then Makaze looks more guilty (though that's not as certain as town go blindly and Makaze is the sort of person to attract people who want to off him) and also we look at all the people who pushed for his death. Actually, we might gain some information. HOWEVER I still don't really want to off him until he's voiced his suspicions of other people but that's looking more unlikely now. Makaze is still another valid option, as knowing his alignment will give us lots of information to use to make much more informed choices in the coming days regardless of what he turns out to be. I do think currently he is town though, so if people would rather not lynch him today, I will follow that. I'm still waiting on a response from What? too.
You're not allowed to edit your posts, it's one of the rules of the game so people can't correct slip ups or change their vote. It's an important rule. That's why you'll find so many double posts in this thread instead of edits.
Okay so the current enquires seem to be going slowly so I'd like to question @What? Throughout the thread you've been seen as a big potential ally or threat, and various people have mentioned you in their posts (albeit all separately in the thread). However you seem to have been very quiet, you've posted once today I think at the very start but the main thing of note from you was the speculation on trigger's death. While that was good, you've seem to have been mostly ignored. Is there a reason you've been so quiet? Regardless of the reason, I would very much like to know your current thoughts on the game, who do you suspect, who do you think is town? Do you agree with the suspicions that have already been put forward? A top 3/5 most likely to be mafia/town could be good. At the moment how quiet you've been almost seems a bit suspicious to me so I'd value hearing your thoughts. Thanks~[DOUBLEPOST=1409873966][/DOUBLEPOST]Oh also @Moksha you've had a bit of time to read through the thread now, what are your thoughts? Who do you suspect and who do you think is town? Currently you're more inactive than the person you replaced, let's change that, a fresh pair of eyes on the thread will be good.
To be honest, I actually agree (though not necessarily from the amount he posts) and have changed my mind about him, though I'm definitely not certain. I still think we should lynch him at some point for the sheer amount of information we would get from him. But in the mean time, I've got a new question for you that might be easier than who do you suspect. I want to know who do you think is town, who do you strongly think is town and would be most surprised at if they turned out to be Mafia? Like top 5 or whatever number most likely to be town.
But the fact your opinions don't match is great. Because coming up with original ideas is hard and sometimes once we get caught on someone, it's sometimes hard to change our minds. We're just guessing and we know all too well that we may be wrong so someone coming along with new ideas instead of blindly agreeing is fantastic. I would really like you to voice these thoughts, you don't have to write a huge essay (but if you want to write an essay go for it, it'd be appreciated). Emphasise if you're unsure about them but do mention them, you may be asked about them but we shouldn't penalise people for saying their thoughts.[DOUBLEPOST=1409862776][/DOUBLEPOST]Wait wait damn damn damn damn, sorry!!! I wish I could delete that because I completely misread your post.[DOUBLEPOST=1409863894][/DOUBLEPOST]Okay, now I'm going to respond to what you actually said. To be honest, I completely see where you're coming from. Hell, I'm posting a lot but most of the time I'm not really the one suggesting new people. I find it hard working out who looks suspicious but I read people's posts and work out who I agree with and when I'm not convinced by someone's argument, I'm more sceptical about a kill. I try to post and say what I agree and don't with but my main focus is trying to get everyone to have a say as the Mafia are trying to deprive us of information. Out of curiosity, which accusations are you now doubting? I think it's really important that everyone at the very least comes forward and says I agree/disagree with the current ideas that are out even if that is it.
And I'm back~ To say I was gone 2 nights, not that much was said. Anyway.... @The Fuk? Please don't ignore me. I don't really care about your defence to Makaze, what I care about is hearing your opinions. Throughout this game you've only really stated you suspect Makaze, and not really mentioned anybody else at all. I really want to know who you suspect (other than Makaze) and who you think is town, what do you make of everybody? Right now, it looks like there's a strong chance of you getting lynched and currently if you get lynched we will gain very little information from the knowing your alignment. Once we know your alignment it adds value to everything you've said so please help the town. Plus show who you think is Mafia and it will take the attention off you. So please please please share your thoughts with us.
Speaking of @The Fuk? I would really like to hear his opinions on things, who he suspects the most and who he thinks is town. From a quick search of his posts, the only suspicion he has put forward is of Makaze (and maybe of inactive people). I'd really like to know who he suspects aside from Makaze as well as if he still believes Makaze is Mafia.
So I thought I'd try to put together a list of everyone who voted for default in order with links to posts: Day One Marushi (unvote) Day Two Vivi's Dark Side Marushi Makaze (Note, he had voiced a lot of suspicions of default without voting prior to this) Calxiyn Jiku Neon Cat~ lost girl Bite the Dust Princess <3 (I'm far too lazy to find the proper heart thing) Okay, this is just for reference purposes so people can have a look at how default's lynch came about. Plus see if they think anyone bandwagoned, if there are any Mafia hiding out with the Town there. I believe that as far as the Mafia were concerned default would of just been seen as a townie (they didn't necessarily know he was the reporter).[DOUBLEPOST=1409670225][/DOUBLEPOST] Just reread this and realised my previous response to this probably didn't address why I was so keen to kill him instead of waiting like you said. My reasoning behind not waiting was that the sooner we get information, the sooner we can make informed choices about who to kill and Makaze seems to be one of the people that would guarantee information regardless of his alignment. Also he posts so much that the longer he lives the harder trekking through his millions of posts to find useful stuff becomes (not sure how much of a valid point that is but I just thought about it). However, like I said before, I do think currently he is town (like why the hell would he agree with my reasoning to kill him if he was Mafia? If it was to convince people he was town, why would you agree with someone saying to lynch him even if he is town. He could have easily ignored it as he was the only one backing up that reasoning, nobody else has. It makes no sense unless he is actually town.) So if you want to keep him alive then okay but I think we should lynch someone who has been active enough that preferably they've pushed for lynches, defended people and maybe someone else has pushed to lynch them. That way they would give us information and help the town, regardless of their alignment.
To help other people, the search for all his posts in this thread, http://kh-vids.net/search/4453681/ I think looking at the people who pushed hard for his death might be worth a look too, remember the Mafia didn't know his role so as far as they were concerned he was town. (Correct me if that's wrong) I'm still looking for now. Oh, just a warning guys, I won't be home tonight/tommorrow/thursday morning so expect my activity to drop to very little or none until Thursday. I may still follow it on my phone if I have time but I might not have time and posting is more difficult.
@Marushi Okay so the reason I've been saying we should lynch Makaze is that we need information, we need evidence to back up our accusations and look at them in a new light. The Mafia purposely killed someone who we gained nothing from, looking back at his posts told us nothing. We're still as blind as we were yesterday. The thing with Makaze is that he's had a lot of people after him, he's voiced his suspicions on a lot of people and defended some people. Once we know his alignment we can go back and view all these things in his posts. If Town we can take them all at face value and more look at who was pushing for his death/his suspicions. If he's Mafia who he defended (like Bite the Dust) and who he pushed to kill, might be looked at in a different light. If I'm completely honest, I actually think he's town from various little things in his posts, I'm not sure I could pick them out but I don't actually think he's mafia and am starting to trust him more. Of course, I wouldn't put it past him for him to actually be Mafia with the illusion of being town, in which case I'm making a big mistake trusting him a bit more. Still despite all that, he is the one person that has posted the most, voiced the most suspicions and people have both pushed to lynch him and defended him. The Mafia is depriving us of actual information which we desperately need (and default didn't give us as much as I'd hoped). If not Makaze, I think we need to lynch someone who has at least been relatively active in voicing suspicions and voting for people so we can gain information about their death. (Damn, there was something else I wanted to say in this post and I've completely forgotten what it was. That's really annoying, I'll post if I remember)[DOUBLEPOST=1409653261][/DOUBLEPOST] Okay so my points aren't really just aimed the quiet ones, I think it's important that everybody comes forward and say voices their top suspicions. With the quiet ones being replaces, it's good as it gives the other two opportunities to voice their opinions. I agree that I don't suspect them but I would like them to talk and say some suspicions before the day is over. I would love to hear what both of them think of the game so far. We the quiet ones I don't mind if they only have short posts and just say 'I agree/disagree with this reasoning and I think/don't think ___ is suspicious' as that is a lot better than nothing (though obviously the more thought and individual points they put in their posts the better). I think some of them are intimidated by the big posts that go up and people like Makaze (another reason why even if he's town we might want to lynch him) but I think we need to make them realise that there is no pressure to put up posts of the same standard if they can't but they can't just sit and say nothing. Basically I don't want the Mafia to be able to do the same again, kill someone which gives the town no information at all. Once we know your alignment, it puts value to your words, we know you weren't trying to deceive us.
I think it makes sense he didn't die as he's very likely to get lynched soon regardless of if he's mafia or not due to killing him giving us lots of information and that has been mentioned before. Yesterday he basically said keep me one more day so the watcher can watch me and maybe find out information. If he's town the mafia wouldn't waste a kill as it would give us tons of information (where as tale gave us none) and we're likely to lynch him anyway. Though if he is mafia, obviously they wouldn't lynch him but I'm not surprised he survived the night. The only threat to him was the vigilante.
Also guys, we're forgetting something. Our dear reporter, default, unlike tale he actually said things of interest. We don't know if he managed to find out any roles or not, if he didn't, he was basically playing as blind as the rest of the town but then again he might have discovered a role and pushed towards it or maybe even hinted at it? Looking at his posts might be an interesting thing. Also I don't think the Mafia knew who the reporter was so they might have tried to push his death simply thinking he was town.[DOUBLEPOST=1409611440][/DOUBLEPOST]Everyone, default has since changed his name to hallucinate for anyone trying to search for his posts.
Just double checked myself by looking through all 15 of his posts, literally the only things of interest in them is him saying things for and against Makaze. This post, this post and this post.[DOUBLEPOST=1409610747][/DOUBLEPOST]I think today we need to get as many people talking as possible, saying who they suspect and who they don't so we don't end up with anyone dead without them voicing any suspicion, we need information from everyone so if they die it's not in vain. I still ultimately think we should lynch Makaze due to all the information we would gain from his lynch BUT we need all the information we can from the day and that wouldn't be achieved if we just sit on Makaze's lynch all day.
Just to confirm some stats (This really confused me as I didn't realise Zazu was Tale) Tale has posted 15 times after the game started. As far as I can tell he hasn't voted for anyone (correct me if I'm wrong). He suspected Makaze but actually defended him at points. So basically we gain very little information from this kill, I think that's a clever move from the mafia.
I wasn't expecting Tale to be killed, huh. He's been on the middle grounds of activity I think, he'd not had any suspicion cast on him so wasn't at risk of us lynching him and might not give us a lot of information from who he suspected. I suppose it makes a bit of sense. (Writing this from memory will check his posts in a minute) Also again only one kill, I wonder if the vigilante is just not certain enough with anybody to risk a kill and harming the town.
