I haven't touched it yet. Might give it a try on a different machine.
I Am Sick of People Being Sick by The World/Inferno Friendship Society
You don't need to fear death. You don't need to fear death if you are town. Every lynch gives us more information than a night kill. You now believe Spike is mafia, when just yesterday you said: But have since stopped talking about hyuge as a likely Mafia, who should be looking more like Mish's buddy, and has crucified you personally for 'throwing her under the bus'. Spike hasn't posted between then and now, but hyuge has. Please explain what changed your opinion between these posts?
It's Raining Hangmen Moksha - 1 (al215) Cat - 2 (Mish, Risky Biznu) Midnight Star - 1 (Trigger) Zelda - 1 (KeyToTruth12) With 12 left alive, it takes 7 to lynch and 4 to soft-lynch. Day ends Tuesday, November 19th, 7:00 ᴘ.ᴍ. (EST).
These are the wrong questions. I think we should lynch Trigger and see what happens, then worry about potential buddies. I am certain that Mish and Marushi are not on the scum team together. hyuge and Marushi have not helped each other directly, but if I am right about Marushi's tactics, they are more effective than any straight defense she could give. @Calxiyn since that didn't tag. I think this is extremely unlikely because this is the second time in two days that Marushi has named Mish as her top scumread and tried to get her lynched. If she is playing a bus game, it is way too risky for my tastes, since Marushi would not be suspicious at all if she only made honest moves. If Trigger, Mish,and Marushi are all scum, this is the least cohesive scumteam I have ever seen, and that's saying something.[DOUBLEPOST=1416146356][/DOUBLEPOST]To echo what hyuge has said, I do not want people (this means you, @al215) to ask 'How high?' every time I say something. Most people have not done anything in this game as far as casing people goes. That includes @Spike, @Calxiyn, @Beau, and @cstar. Beau said he would be waiting until the end of the day to post his organized thoughts, and I believe him. He is also confirmed town. We know that because Beau mistakenly thought Tale was still alive. Please don't spend any more time discussing Beau than need be. Calxiyn just hasn't given us anything to work with, neither has Spike. We need to hear who they suspect and who they don't in detail. al215 should stop asking what 'we' are doing and start influencing what 'we' are doing for himself. Especially if 'we' means 'me', which in this case it does according to his language.
I wouldn't be doing it for your benefit if I did, but I can't avoid it if I want to convince others. About your reaction, I think the brevity of your response is a little telling given your usual demeanor. Before anyone else asks, I don't intend to explain what set me thinking it. All you need to know is that I am completely certain of my read until proven otherwise by a flip. If you can figure it out on your own, more power to you. What matters is what this means. If I'm right, Mish is confirmed town. If I'm wrong, Mish is still my second highest read. I would like to test this to eliminate one of them from my scum team list. As things stand right now, I would rather lynch Marushi than Mish to see if I am right. My case against her is short and sweet. These are my notes for her posts: The people she suspected enough to vote or call out as her highest scum reads were cstar, Beau, Calxiyn, al215, Mish, and The Fuk?. Two of these are confirmed town and three are looking like town. Mish is the only one with truly odd behavior. The people she has lightly mentioned are Trigger (before and after his bizarre actions, due to getting here late on Day 2), hyuge, and Spike. Trigger, hyuge, and Spike have also happened to not question her. (In Spike's case that's because he hasn't questioned anyone.) On the The Fuk? lynch, Marushi is one of the people who is in a position to remember how The Fuk? played last game and know that he was acting identically and that he was town last game, like Trigger. Her complete failure to mention this similarity threw up a red flag due to her usual second-guessing behavior, like how she said she felt about Beau just before. After she voted Spike, she told people not to blindly follow me. She just cased Mish for doing the same thing. But it gets worse. Mish's was to a weaker extent than her own. When Marushi said it earlier on, she felt the same as hyuge seemingly out of nowhere while hyuge was under no fire. She said it because she personally felt the same way. What Mish said was correct, was meant to explain that she saw where hyuge was coming from even if she was being irrational, and more importantly, Mish did not directly express her own feelings of discomfort with me. Marushi did. Here's a quote from the post where she first cased Mish on Day 1 (irony): And here is Mish's critique of me in her response to the hyuge case for comparison: The similarity is uncanny and reveals undeniably hypocrisy in Marushi's case. Another quirk: I noticed that while Marushi is casing Mish, she is not also casing hyuge on her own. In fact, she reads hyuge town when hyuge is the one laying it on the thickest of the three, but cases Mish who simply stated that I caused a lot of trouble for town last game. hyuge and Marushi are the ones who expressed personal discomfort with my level of control, but Mish is the one who gets blamed for it. I realized that this makes a lot of sense if the scum team includes her and hyuge as buddies. Notice this part the end of her hyuge read: This sets the stage for her to both eliminate Mish and clear hyuge's name for the same exact crime. I believe the strategy here is to lynch Mish with my help for consolidation, and when Mish flips town, she can say that hyuge is also cleared by extension. She has the same exact feelings towards Spike and made the same exact argument for him when she first cased Mish. She says that either Mish is Mafia and is shadowing Spike, that they are both Mafia, or that they are both town. Both of her buddy cases leave it so that if her lynch goes through and is a mislynch, then her secondary read is cleared too. That is an ideal scenario for a Mafia. Marushi has set it up so that if Mish is cleared, then both hyuge and Spike can be cleared as well under the same model. If Trigger turns out not to be Mafia, then I think Spike may be the third in this hypothetical scumteam. I can't case him due to lack of evidence, but the circumstantial bits make it at least worth looking into. If Trigger isn't Mafia. The way she narrated my plan and played it up and down to some shadow audience is also sending red flags now. She has showed surprisingly little resistance to my ideas and asked few questions. Her comments about my plan have mostly been to the thread itself instead of me. She has avoided confronting me head on. Meanwhile she said that people shouldn't blindly follow me because I am often wrong in no uncertain terms. Not too long after, she called it brilliant. She spoke badly about my plan to the wind and simultaneously praised it. It doesn't sit right with me and makes me wonder if she is intentionally trying to stay under my radar. If so, it was working, until now.
Aaah. I misread. Thanks. I believe Marushi is Mafia.
Before I forget, are you hated, @al215 ?
Good reason. Do you happen to have any other reads besides Trigger, Spike and Marushi? You get on me, but you're being pretty unsociable yourself... Why don't you ask questions in my place for a bit?
I'm sorry I make you feel that way. I also believe people have things to contribute. I cannot play this game alone, regardless of how it may seem. Your opinions matter, to. If you have any other reads, they might help everyone too. Thank you. Did al215 ask you about your vote today or why you voted for Trigger? I must have missed it.
Good enough.
@Trigger: Please reply within the next six hours with your town and scum reads. This is the best way you can help town now. If you don't reply I will take it as your decision not to give me any more info and an admission that you are Mafia.[DOUBLEPOST=1416109931][/DOUBLEPOST] So no one misses the post. @Trigger @Mish @Marushi @Beau @cstar @h y u g e @Calxiyn @Spike
Amazing by Mystery Skulls
People said the same thing about Vivi's misnumbering the number of Mafia last game, and Trigger's voting this game. If you don't have any other reasons to suspect her, that's fine, but don't ignore the case entirely because of just the one point.
Hellbent (feat. Snowblood) by Mystery Skulls
You had it right. I misspoke. If they do pop, the other is Mafia. Sorry.[DOUBLEPOST=1416107407][/DOUBLEPOST]And if they don't pop, then they are Mafia. Either Mafia won't risk something so easy to test or we can fix it in a couple of hours without worrying.
It doesn't really matter. We can do it very quickly by bring the more suspicious of the two up to L-1 (Hard Lynch -1 vote) and seeing if they pop. If they don't, then the other is Mafia.
Calling for a claim is not the same as specing. If Mafia hammer in on the Hated person, they will look bad, but if they can claim they didn't know they were Hated then we don't learn as much. The more we know the more we can discern from how people behave around them.
The problem with me doing things like this is that my opinion will probably influence other people and you might be able to control opinions through me. I think your case on @Spike is fairly reasonable but probably will not become strong enough for a lynch until he does more. If he refuses to do more, it may be good to policy lynch him. What do you think of al215's case for hyuge? I'd like to point out that if anyone is Hated, it would be smart to claim it now. It will help us make intelligent voting choices.
Yes. Why are there so few Mafia compared to Town? Too many crooks will spoil the broth.
