Thanks for the extra info. I agree than; if we allow the moves at all, only one usage of Minimize per active Pokemon.
You could just trade people though ._. EV Training with mobs? Just use Super Training. I've tried mobs, and the latter method is much quicker in my opinion.
Alright, I just wanted to make sure >.>
Doesn't answer my question. A simulator is using only generated Pokemon.
The solution goes back to this: two separate tournaments, one using 3DS systems and games using all of the rules agreed on, and one using the simulator using all of the rules agreed on excluding the generated Pokemon rule (duh.)
Is this applying to 3DS tournaments?
Then...really, what's the point of using one's 3DS? Everyone has to use generators for this to really be fair.
You cannot actually train Pokemon to have certain IV's: it's purely strategizing how you breed them. If you want perfect IV's, the most effective way to go about it is having someone in your Friend Safari with Ditto's, since they automatically have a few perfect IV's that can then be bred into whatever Pokemon can breed with Ditto. EV Training, as of X/Y, is easy. Get the Pokemon you want to EV Train, spend around 12 minutes with the Super Training mini-game, focusing on the games that affect the stats you want or using bags to help, and you'll have a Pokemon EV trained for what you want it to do.
It's a rule that I proposed, that's all. If I could prevent the use of generated Pokemon against Pokemon that people actually put time and effort into, I would. HENCE THE WHOLE POINT OF ME SAYING THAT I TRUST PEOPLE. But fine, if you want, have your generated Pokemon. I won't partake in a 3DS Tournament if I know I'm going against someone who didn't work for what he or she is using, and I did. Solution to this: simulator it is, guys.
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Main reason I can see why it was banned was for the Shadow Tag/Encore loop. We could just ban having both that Ability and that Move on the Pokemon.
There really is: you're not using means intended by the makers of the games; you're generating code on an outside source. Should I include a rule that forbids the use of outside sources for attaining Pokemon, like using one's computer? Reasonable, so I agree.
Implying I did waste my time, because I stuck to training my Pokemon using only the games and consoles that I legally own. Look, I don't want this to be an argument about generating. If need be, we can just stick to the simulator, but I'm adamant in my belief that the two formats should not be mixed for tournaments.
I explicitly stated that the rule is only for the 3DS games, and that I trust people not to do that. Smogon have some good rules, so yeah, they're pretty similar. I did change a few things, but only so much needed to be changed in my opinion.
Then don't partake in the 3DS Tournament. It's simple, mate. You can play in the Simulator Tournament :P
Like I said, there has be to a certain amount of trust that you didn't just generate those Pokemon. I do trust that you didn't, unless you explicitly state that you did. (also, we do want to be more courteous to people who don't play competitive frequently, even if it is a tournament) ALSO I MADE THIS.
[All discussion in this thread pertains specifically to Pokemon as they currently exist in the Pokemon X and Pokemon Y video games] Here's a thread so we can just start listing and discussing what each of us thinks should be a restriction for whatever Pokemon tournaments (or even non-tournament battles) that we eventually organize. If you have any objections with anyone's theoretical restrictions, be sure to quote the post, specify which restriction you're addressing, give an explanation of what you find wrong with the restriction, and present a reasonable modification or alternative to the restriction. AND DO IT NICELY. No "lol that's dumb." For myself, I've done some research on competitive sites, such as the "Play! Official Pokemon VG Tournament Rules & & Formats" PDF, Smogon's current XY Tiers, and Neoseeker's Pokemon Tier listings. I'd currently like to see these restrictions: Banned Pokemon: Mewtwo Lugia Ho-Oh Blaziken (with Speed Boost ability) Kyogre Groudon Rayquaza Deoxys Dialga Palkia Giratina Darkrai Arceus Reshiram Zekrom Kyurem Black Kyurem White Kyurem Genesect Xerneas Yveltal Banned Mega Evolution Pokemon (and, as result, their Mega Stones as Held Items): Mega Gengar Mega Kangaskhan Mega Blaziken Mega Latias Mega Latios Mega Lucario Banned Abilities: Moody Banned Moves (or at least heavily limited): Double Team (or, max uses per one's active Pokemon: 2) Minimize (or, max uses per one's active Pokemon: 2) Swagger Fissure Guillotine Horn Drill Sheer Cold Only Pokemon at least Lv. 50 allowed (they'll be set to that Lv. in-game) Only one Pokemon per species allowed on a party (example: can't have two Gengar) Only legal Pokemon moves allowed (if the Pokemon can't learn the move via level up, TM, HM, breeding, tutoring, transfer, or official event, that Pokemon with that moveset cannot be used) You may only intentionally use a Pokemon's moves to induce the Freeze or Sleep status conditions on one of your opponent's Pokemon at a time (example: you can use Ice Beam however much you wish, but you cannot use Spore on more than one Pokemon until the Pokemon that you used Spore on (and who fell asleep as the result of that move) has woken up In the result of both players' last Pokemon fainting in one turn, the player whose Pokemon used the move or possessed the ability that caused the first Pokemon to faint OR the player whose Pokemon fainted last due to special condition or weather is the victor of that match. Specifically for 3DS battles: Only legal Pokemon allowed (no generated or hacked Pokemon; please do try to assure this) Feel free to comment on what you think should be added, changed, or removed.
Well, for the 3DS tournament, I'd have no problem at all playing against other imperfect Pokemon. However, I'm not one to deny that some people legitimately trained perfect Pokemon, and in that case, the fault is mine for not perfecting my team. I just kinda don't expect that to be the case every match. No reason to delay one for the other, honestly. I mean, once we have brackets and rules set.
Then the solution to that flaw would have to be exclusively using the Simulator. 3DS Tournaments rely on a certain amount of trust, unfortunately. For myself, I can saw that I didn't spend 150+ hours on my Pokemon to simply be put against generated perfect Pokemon.
Then...are we going to give people the choice to decline matches when they have to play on the simulator and aren't used to it? I'm really uncomfortable with the idea of mixing formats: some people only play on the simulator and are thus exposed to only battles using mostly perfect Pokemon, and some only play on the 3DS and are thus exposed to only battles mostly using imperfect Pokemon. Two separate tournaments for each format is the best solution to this. I've trained my Pokemon to the best of my ability using only what methods I have available (that don't include cheat devices, generators, exploits, etc.) I don't have Black 2/White 2 to use for Transfer moves, I don't have IV-perfect Pokemon, and I don't have duplicates of items that can only be bought for BP.
