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The music in KH1 wasn't a straight port, they added new elements, like the electric guitar in Bustin' Up On the Beach, as well as instrument changes and the like. They're not literally transcriptions of the midis used in KH1
On the topic of how this poll is meant to work, I'm asking if KH2, which is similarly dated like KH1 should have remixed music, or if people think the quality in KH2 is good enough that it's not really necessary
It's an argument I've seen a few times, that KH2's music is good enough to just leave alone, so I was wondering how many people felt that way

I think KH1 was really let down by the PS2's sound limitations. Comparing the Re:CoM versions of the sings, which are nearly note for note identical, but with significantly higher quality sounds really shows how low impact KH1's music was. KH2 did a lot more to own its sound, like constantly using this sound that sounds like some sort of cross between an accordion and a string ensemble, but the sounds are a bit tinny by modern standards... just nowhere near as dated as KH1

I liked Oddworld quite a bit, and I played a bit of Prince of Persia and didn't mind that either. My problem is that a lot of the trial and error comes from their graphic choices. What looks like a normal floor is actually the background, so you fall to your death. There's also just plain glitches, which it seems other people didn't encounter, but we did. There's one in the episode, where he climbs up, but then just falls off anyways. If the platforming just worked a bit smoother, the game would probably be a lot more enjoyable. With regards to the puzzle thing, that bugs me. And it bugs me in stuff like point and clicks, too. You're meant to inform the player with previous gameplay to help them solve puzzles. If you can break a window with the slingshot, you should ALWAYS be able to. If they wanted to prepare you for that puzzle, they should have made you use the gun on the window (though that would require the Rat guy not randomly taking your weapons and never giving them back)
I understand it's a bit of an acquired taste, but the other cinematic platformers I've played have tended to do it better than this

oh, okay, honestly I can't even tell at this point, I just need sleep, good night :)

Thanks for stepping in, there's pretty much no way that could have ended well

I half recommend Bravely Default. It's s super solid classic style JRPG, but they REALLY drop the ball during the second half. Unfortunately it's major spoilers as to why, but let's just say you have to refight the bosses FIVE times with nearly no changes, as well as revisit multiple dungeons FIVE times with no changes (not even new treasure) it's REALLY good besides that unfortunately huge blemish.
Mario and Luigi Dream Team is a pretty fun little romp. Pretty short if that's an issue for you though.
I don't own it, but people are calling Zelda a Link Between Worlds one of the best Zeldas in years
Tales of the Abyss is pretty great too, though it can get a bit laggy because of some porting issues
The Adventure Time game is pretty solid, if that your thing
Fire Emblem Awakening is great, and if you're new to the FE franchise it's a great starting point
and yeah, KH3D is probably an obvious choice. A lot of people like it, I personally think it's the weakest entry in the franchise second only to Days

Okay yeah no, I tried being more diplomatic after what Hayabusa said, and you still felt the need to try and come out on the high ground. You're still saying nonsense, talking about blowing my mind, talking about how this is SO not worth your time. I tried bringing this to a close, even tried to absorb some of the fault and you just used that to keep being smug. You've been talking about how done you've been done for like five posts, but now it's my turn to be done.
The purpose of a review is still critique, by the way, I didn't miss the point ;)

Blargh I need to check notification before posting things >.>

Anyways, I see how that could be interpreted that way, I meant it merely as a comment on the arguments he's been making. He's clearly not dumb >>

And honestly, in my narrow view of debate with Atlas, I have been willfully ignoring the positive aspects of the objective side of reviewing. There are objective facts yo can discuss to fill a review, it's just rarely enough to actually fill a review. You need objective facts to give context, and opinions to flesh them out. The best of both worlds, you can't just throw around unsupported opinions if you want to be taken seriously, but you can't just rely on the objective side of things because it's all bones with no meat.

Anyways, still interested in hearing about why people actually like this game, if we can, y'know, hold off on the insults for a bit[DOUBLEPOST=1400741525][/DOUBLEPOST]

sounds like a newspaper headline

Ah, the very objective Metal Gear reviews where he talks about how using Snake Eater during the final battle ruins the mood, and that MGS 4 has too many cutscenes but he thinks that was intentional? Sounds SUPER objective

Instead of ask and learn? I've been doing that this ENTIRE thread and people would much rather MOCK me for it. Maybe it sounded like sarcasm but I was LEGITIMATELY curious about what other people saw in it. But believe it or not, telling me I'm butthurt and obsessive didn't give me any new insight. I listened to you, too, but you were just telling me the TRUE meaning of a review. In fact, at this point I'm still not sure you actually played it, you never explicitly said. I assumed you did, because it was a free Games with Gold game, but I digress. I asked. I listened. But I want a GOOD argument, not a person just telling me I'm wrong. I argue my views fiercely, but it's not because I'm resistant to change, but because I want a specific and equally fierce RETORT. I gave specific examples for all of my problems, has anybody else in this entire trhead even mentioned a single specific detail about the game?

I'm a product of the times? What the Fvck does that even MEAN? PLEASE discuss i because it makes absolutely no sense to me, same with what this has to do with negative feelings (for the record, I'll never hate you for an argument like this or something, I keep my arguments and my personal views on someone separate, there's only one person on Earth I can actually say I hate, but that's neither here nor there)
Personally think my what hurts more than helps?

Taking apart... what? And wait, now YOU'RE calling me dumb? Review-off? What? You already told me rather bluntly you don't give a fvck about my review, where is this coming from? Anyways, yes, I had a very unfortunate experience with the game: I had to play it. It was dreadful. Was it the worst game ever? Probably not, but you don't think every review sucks, either adn you still said it. Trying to forve my opinion on others? By repeatedly asking people if there was something about it that justified the high scores it got? I'm not swayed by cheap arguments, but I have no issue admitting I was wrong, I just need a good argument. My sister managed to change my view on organized religion to a far more positive one pretty easily, and you think I won't change my thoughts on a freaking VIDEO GAME?
And I don't really have a reply to that last bit. Why do you feel the need to end your posts with that condescension?

BAHAHAHA WHAT
You're using MATTHEW MATOSIS as the example of an objective review? He makes 40 minute opinion pieces. He talks about how personally the graphics in Wind Waker HD look worse to him, heck, he did a huge plot critique of Bioshock Infinite. He may back up his views well, but they're still just views

Anyways, can you get off your high horse for a second or two and discuss this with me like a human being? Your ability to deconstruct the situation doesn't make your arguments any less weightless. I apparently insulted you? (Ignore that I apologized because then your smugness becomes less effective!) And that makes my opinions that I've actually backed up less valid than your nonsense? You're done with this waste of time thread unless you get to add another smug remark? That's basically all you've been doing here, by the by, is smug remarks. You don't actually explain the things you say (bucket and a container?)
And frankly if insulting someone is a measure of how invalid an argument is, then you going on the offensive from the very start of this thread for no reason puts you firmly in dead last

P1- There were technical issues, among other things, if someone doesn't experience them it doesn't suddenly mean that the people who DID experience them are invalid. I've seen the game through 1.5 times, and encountered different glitches each time, and offered plenty of criticisms besides, and the best a person can offer is that I just don't like it because I suck and that they didn't encounter the specific glitch? In terms of valid criticism... who gets to decide what's a valid opinion? The great thing about the internet is that you can find a billion opinions and figure out which ones apply to you. The notion that a person can't express an opinion because they might end up skipping in a game they might have loved is ludicrous (and it's pretty silly if he's exaggerating about reviewers since he called me out on 'exaggerating' my opinion on this game sucking)
And I don't get why people think I don't want to hear about people explaining why they liked the game. I said as much multiple times in this topic. It has a question mark for a reason. But the closest thing I've gotten is one person calling me butthurt for not liking the game, adn another person telling me to let it go because I'm obsessive. These aren't exactly the well thought out angles I was hoping for

P2- That's a really healthy attitude that more people should adopt. There's a lot of criticism out there, and a lot of different views on it, just find the one that best fits you, and be smart enough to know when something they complain (or gush over) about doesn't matter to you

P3- It's not a terribly strong argument, no, though personally if he gave some examples of WHY it would have worked better then... that's REALLY valuable info, otherwise it's just poorly written, honestly.

P4- I looked through my previous posts for the part where I implied mental deficiency, and I can't find it. I might have missed it, but I'd like a quote. That said, if I did say something like that, I'm truly sorry

Well you sure showed me with your razor sharp logic. Can a person say anything about music or graphics that are objective? I guess you could say what instruments are used, or what genre it is. Or you could say the graphics are... a thing? There's nothing valuable to be said about them without injecting your opinion. Even technically objective stuff isn't REALLY objective. I encountered a tonne of glitches, other people didn't. The game is variable in that way too.

But no wait, there's more. Oh yeah, Deadlight is TOTALLY a timeless classic. Nothing to be improved. Nope. We should jsut never say why things could be better because obviously if chess can't ever possibly be improved NOTHING EVER CAN BE.

Person thought it would have been fantastic in a different genre? that tells me they didn't make a good choice for the genre in the first place, potentially.

Oh, okay, bucket and container mean the same thing but apparently that's a point against me, makes sense. You say that the purpose of a review is not to critique something... and yet they're synonyms. Would you say a bucket isn't meant to contain something, but a container is? At this point, I wouldn't be surprised if you did

You're right, this was a waste of time thread, because you spent it arguing NONSENSE and trying to act like you were saying something meaningful at any point

I actually very rarely used avatars, I only have the one I haev now because of @Llave
What I CAN say is that the avatar a person has on a forum largely determines the tone I read their posts in
Like @Ars Nova a lot of your avatars have half naked men and blushing, so my mental image is that you send your KHv posts from inside a sauna

I know my ancestry is basically a mashup of everywhere in Europe, with a LOT of Welsh, but that's about it
I'm also vaguely related to Alexander Graham Bell

I'm looking to get enough credits to graduate

I do

I've been hearing a LOT of people call this game a masterpiece, most notably as far as I'm concerned, Totalbiscuit

Wait, he was talking about Devil May Cry? I thought he was talking about the needlework store