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Midnight said she liked the analysis, which is a big compliment from her considering she's been doing a lot of work this game.

Also I found this post from Heart, which I thought was interesting. My theory was that Krowley was killed also to point a finger at Al and I, and she already started pointing that finger before he died. If she wanted to put some doubt into people's minds and come back to it later, saying something like "I said this earlier, but now that Krowley's dead...", I think that it was apart of the plan. She wanted to say that so when Krowley did die she could remind everyone.
Unfortunately, Heart didn't stay around, but I think that if she did she would have brought that up again. There's no way to be sure, but I'm just going on what I've seen.

Now that I've seen that post, I actually think that it may be Heart/Marushi we should be lynching this time.

##Unvote: Midnight Star
##Vote: Marushi

I still have my suspicion about Midnight, but this outweighs that. Regardless we need to decide to lynch someone today.

I mean before he died, when he posted that big long post here: http://kh-vids.net/threads/mafia-the-classic-setup-game-1.154626/page-13#post-4281022

It was pretty evident that he was a threat.

I'm trying to find the others who talked about Krowley after that post. Before it I don't see anything, but I may have missed something.

And I don't mean exaggerated as in not true, I just think that there was a lot more fear then there needed to be. Obviously, the Mafia thought Krowley would get more active like he did and would get a sub, and if they knew the sub wouldn't be as good they wouldn't bother. But they saw from even that post alone he was skilled and knew what he was doing, and was afraid he would be active and stick around longer. I think his death was done out of maybe even paranoia in that regard: Someone wasn't thinking clearly and didn't realize Krowley wasn't sticking around. I personally assumed he'd be subbed out regardless of that big post, but someone didn't lol.

I'm really excited you're here @Marushi . Blaine was extremely defensive and came off as arrogant, HOWEVER, part of this is just some of his personality.

However, from interacting with Blaine I see that when people question his choices he starts to get defensive and argumentative, especially when he is in the wrong and trying to make others believe that he's right. Because of this, it led me to believe that he was a good candidate for Mafia. Because of their different personalities I wanted to give Cat a good chance, but as someone said earlier, sub or not, they have the same role. I think there is a good chance that Blaine is/was one of the Mafia and that Cat now has the Mafia role.

I also find this connection interesting. Cat, Tale, and Heart (replaced by you), voted for Krowley, in that order. Then, the first people who posted after Krowley died were Tale, Heart, Mixt and Cat. All "Lamenting" about how they didn't get to see Krowley's analysis. They were the first people to vote for him, and four of them who also posted right away after he died. The connection is a stretch, but I want to go back to what I said about the Mafia M.O.

I figured at least someone did it because they panicked or were afraid of Krowley's ability, so they killed him outright. Another member was new and thought it'd be a good time to use Krowley to frame someone else, at new person. Heart hasn't played before, and Cat knows how good Krowley was at Mafia, and even said herself that he would have been a great asset. Now where does Mixt come into this? A few people suspected him but nothing really came of it. I'm including Mixt in this because I don't think that the Mafia would be so stupid to all vote up Krowley, and then kill him the next day. They would leave each other out in the open and it would be way too obvious. So who do I think is Town?

Well, I think it's a tie between Tale and Mixt. I'm leaning more towards Tale's side, but there isn't enough for me to go off of yet.

But Cat and Heart's position, I think, are both Mafia. That's because of what happened with Blaine, and the fact that Heart was newer at the game and maybe panicked a lot more at someone who was really skilled. From how Tale's acting I want to believe he's town, and I also believe if the other two are Mafia and he were Mafia, he wouldn't vote Krowley up because again, that would look really stupid, but I'm not sure. And Mixt, if Midnight isn't Mafia is my other choice.

But that also begs the question, why not kill Midnight or I? Well, I still ALSO think Midnight is Mafia, but her posts before could have just been realising she was too harsh, personally I see it as a backtrack.

So basically I think that because of Heart and Cat both voting for Krowley and him turning up dead + attitudes and other reactions are both Mafia. I also think Midnight is still Mafia simply because she hasn't been killed yet and she is a big threat.

HOWEVER @Marushi since you took Heart's spot I doubt you'll be quick to agree with me, since you'd be admitting yourself that you're Mafia XD

Those are all true. If Al and I are both Mafia doing something like this would be really dumb, and town could potentially win much quicker as well.

Obviously @Mish and @Midnight Star there's no way to know for sure. It's just a theory and I did say I could be wrong on the Mafias reasoning, but it was just a suggestion/theory to help us moving/talking. Which it's done whether it's a disagreement or agreement among the town.

And my whole reasoning in regards to Krowley is that they saw him as MORE of a threat then he really was, so in that way it wouldn't be bad to kill him. That's not what I'm saying. The amateur move I see here is using his death to further suspicion on Al and I.

Also @Ghost and @Midnight Star
And I didn't think that you guys would go for us right away. I was doing this as a preemptive measure rather then a paranoid defense method, in order to clear your mind now so we could look at other people. It's like putting a screen on the window to keep the bugs out. Instead of trying to catch the moth that came in when you opened it, it won't come in at all.

However, Midnight, it's interesting how your respond contrasts to Mish. Mish is a lot more calm or 'detached' in her response. But I see you as almost "offended" or defensive in some of your responses. Especially these pieces:

Obviously the content in your posts are solid points, they have to be to be helpful, but it's the delivery. Maybe I'm reading too much into your tone, but you seem defensive, like you're Mafia yourself and maybe insulted I thought you had to be new. Maybe you made the decision to get rid of Krowley and my post is one giant slap in the face, so you have to make sure people know it 'could be' "an experience player", being you, made that decision.

And maybe just on that I'll decide to vote Midnight for now. I want to see what other people think, and what she thinks first obviously, but we haven't cast any votes today and now is a good time to start. Maybe I'm drinking too much lake water? Who knows, that's why I want to hear what the other town have to say.[DOUBLEPOST=1467493901][/DOUBLEPOST]##Vote: Midnight Star

Possibilily, but killing the quieter ones is something that we could do by lynching, which would effectively waste our time and give them more time. Also to my understanding Krowley would have gotten replaced, but I don't think they thought about that which is why they killed him, because regardless of the Lynch Bait, they may have been too scared to take that chance and had to kill him off.

My own two eyes deceive me.

Edit: you know you've been reading/writing too much Shakespeare when your photo corrects "two" to "doth"

It's less about friendship and more about alignment. If Al is Town it's in my interest you guys don't lynch him today, and if we're all taking a look at Krowley's post I'm being preemptive in the fact we'd probably be voted for.

And, by extension, part of the reason for analyzing Al was because if I could make a good arguement for him not being Mafia, and you guys agree that I'm right about the Mafias plan, that would mean that the people Krowley named before he died are both town being used as Lynch bait.

And the other person Krowley named is me and I can't really analyze myself.

If it was another two people Krowley named, say Al and Midnight, I would have done an analysis on both parties... But in this case that's not going to work lol

I'm confident I could do a similar analysis of another player when the opportunity strikes. It helps to know the person but I'm taking what I've seen from previous games.

Al can always correct me if I'm wrong, but, I mean, if he would kill Krowley out of nervousness I guess he's not as good at the game as I thought ;)

All joking aside, Al's not dead so he can comment on my analysis.

I don't mean eggagerate meaning it isn't true. It would sort of be like saying "Misty is scary when she's angry" (I have never seen Misty angry this is a made up analogy) but the nervous person who needs to talk to Misty only hears "Misty is scary" and gets more nervous and panics.

It's the same with Krowley. The nervous Mafia don't read "Krowley can be a threat, if he posts, under these circumstances" etc etc, the nervous Mafia see "KROWLEY IS A THREAT - KILL HIM"

Good morning! I'm at the cottage rn but I will be coming back tomorrow morning! I'm going to check in 6 hours from now if I can but I am using my cellular and that's dangerous for my phone bill XD

More seriously though, I can see why Krowley was killed. I think it has to do less with his skill. I suspect that the members of this Mafia didn't know first hand what Krowley was capable of, or since it was 'exaggerated' dramatically by you guys they got scared. I believe it has more to do with his analysis on who he thought was guilty.

I personally think that it's an amaurtar Mafia move to kill someone this way. I say this because, at least to me, it's sort of obvious what they're trying to do. The last people who Krowley spoke about were Al and I. I think that they killed Krowley and not say, Heart, may be because of these reasons:

1. That would potentially give the Mafia at least one extra day free of having one of them lynched.

2. Some people already raised suspicion about Al/I the last day, so it wouldn't be hard to at least get me on a soft vote.

3. Once that soft vote was given, the other two Mafia members vote up and maybe one impulsive Town and suddenly either of us is hanging from a tree.

You can see that I'm implying Al is Town, knowing Al as a person or even a player, he wouldn't do something this obvious and sort of stupid (sorry Mafia) but there are three Mafia, so if he is Mafia maybe he didn't really have a choice, or maybe he got nervous and he made a huge mistake.

Let's talk about Al some more. If you guys agree with me and this is why Krowley was killed, this may confirm his innocence. Personally I'm 90% sure of Al's Town Status.

So what's the 10%? Why the doubt? Well, first I need to give you an M.O of the Mafia.

If Al is Mafia, he is surrounded by 2 new or extremely nervous players. 2 people who took what was said about Krowley to heart and got scared, probably without even checking his posts from last game. They needed to get rid of Krowley fast and put the blame on the town so they could have one more day to think, because they suddenly feel like they're running out of time and not planning well ahead.

A new player would kill off Krowley and try to imply Al or/and I are Mafia. (And obviously sometimes this strategy does work but I don't think it does with this group, is what I meant before)

An experienced player would know if they did that, again, depending on the town, they've basically confirmed us being townies. And I don't think they would take that chance.

If that is the Mafia's M.O, then what about Al? Well, Al isn't the type of person who gets scared at the drop of his name. Looking at Krowleys posts it was less about him and more about me. Al also is the type of person that has a silver tongue and debate someone easily, so if Al were Mafia Krowley just wouldn't scare him.

So if Al was Mafia, I'm suggesting that Al was pressured by the other two, if anything. I don't think if he was Mafia and more dominant with his kill choice this would have been it. Al would have killed Midnight or I.

He would do that because he doesn't leave the town with any leads on who to lynch next since we've talked about a lot of people, it isn't as forward as Krowleys ominous looking last statement, and the town needs to basically do the same thing on day 1 again without their powerhouse. That could destroy the town.

Al wouldn't kill someone quiet. He would leave those people to get lynched and give the Mafia time.

But Al also isn't easily pressured into changing his vote. So if he wanted to kill someone else he would have convinced his teammates of it. But obviously we're here now, so he didn't.

And it's because someone else didn't die that I believe in Al's innocence. There is a slim chance Al would have gone along with a plan to kill Krowley that was so "blunt", I guess, and a slimmer chance the other two Mafia pressured him, or he got nervous. And so because those chances I think he's a town, at least 90%

But now we also know that are Mafia are probably very new. They may have played at least one or two games before, but not enough to do something a little less obvious. If anyone agrees with me and could suggest someone who fits Mafia M.O, I think looking at that person would be a good idea today.

Of if you disagree, you may be right. I may be wrong. We may finish this game and I was wrong and then I was dead AND wrong XD but part of Mafia is theorizing and by putting ideas out there you get better.

You seem to be throwing anyone you can under the bus in order to not get lynched without any really reasons. I've seen people do this when they start to panic, but I believe that maybe if you were really town you would have stronger feelings, and not flip every time you think someone will side with you

Welcome to both Cat and Judge and thank you for filling in.

Since Mafia relies a lot on the aspect of time, I think that we should vote G-Dog. Something we won't have time to do once we get deeper into the game are continuously try to translate his posts, which can't be helped. Regardless of that, even still don't have as much substance as say, the other people suggested up, Krowley, at least what we know he's capable of, Cats current posts as well as Midnight's. For that reason I'm going to vote G-Dog. Also unvoting Cat for obvious reasons lol.

##Unvote Cat~
##Vote G-Dog

Makaze said on the front page himself, this isn't ToS.

But are they always in agreement though? If I recall correctly, Tale didn't vote up KH530. And being always in an agreement isn't a sure sign of both of them being Mafia. If you think about it there are only three Mafia, and so the ones the Mafia need to convince are the town members to lynch one of their own. Even if all three Mafia voted for someone it would be the Town members who would finish the hard lynch. Always agreeing all of the time would look too suspicious.

I'm pretty sure most of us have agreed on some parts and have disagreed on other parts of people's analysis.

And I agree with @Ghost in the sense that by talking about the Mafia like they're against your alignment is a good way to try and hint to everyone else that you're town, and if you need to hint it at this early in the game then you're either inexperienced or hiding something. I say this because the Mafia know that a good strategy is not to lie back, that makes them look too suspicious, but they can't be too investigative either or they're trying too hard to draw connections to people they know aren't Mafia (because they know their fellow Mafia). That line of thought, that laying back is a good strategy may just come from not playing the game before, but I also see it as unnecessary "pushing" for people to, at least at the back of their heads think that you are town.

No, because it isn't a strategy that can really be used in a game like this. Mafia nor Town would mention it because it just isn't workable here. You see what happens when people are too quiet, they start to go up for lynching.

(I'm going to change my text colour because a few people can't read my posts)

Thank you to @al215 for the clarification on what G-Dog said by the way. But yes, posts don't count in the spam zone or forum games. I am also going to vote for Blaine at this stage in the game. Earlier someone pointed out that Mish decided on KH530 because she was the first one on the game list who hadn't talked yet, and her inactivity has been roughly sorted out with a promise to do better at paying attention to the thread.

The way it could impact the game is simple. If I were to slip up and give something away, Al sees it, starts writing a post, but by the time he posts it, I fix it, it looks like Al either added something in to make me look guilty, or it shows that I have something to hide. "Slipping up" in this game is very important to the Town, that's part of the reason Midnight suggested putting someone in the spotlight. When people get anxious, they don't think clearly and they start to mess up. And personally. I see this as Blaine "slipping" up and getting caught trying to fix his posts.

But just to be clear, I agree with what Midnight said about maybe lynching G-Dog. I didn't want to be the one to say it lol but I was sort of thinking it. On that note, I don't really have a response for his accusation/suspicion against me because it seems to be on "gut instinct" only without anything else to back it up, for the time being.

So my current candidate is Blaine, my second is G-Dog.

##Vote Blaine

@Makaze Just some clarification, but could the person the cop has already found out be Mafia alignment or Town alignment? You said "One random Town" But I'm assuming that means the 13 players and not just the 9 other Vanilla Towns? Is that correct?

First of all, **** THAT MISSION. **** Wonderland in KH in general.

Secondly.

So after you defeat the other four, go back to the throne area, and there's going to be that birdcage like the one Alice was in, in KH1. You gotta jump and hit it to bring it down and then the Concerto thing will appear.

I think.

Laying low to the end would be way too suspicious, you can't play the game that way. Even if you're Town and you try to execute a plan like that, it makes you look indecisive, and is generally unhelpful to your faction.

Threats are also a poor way of trying to make yourself look innocent. If anything the defensiveness and 'caution' in that statement make you look incredibly guilty.

Your snark makes me suspect you. An attitude like that just shows you're defensive of what you're saying. Whether it's to defend your fellow Mafia or not remains to be seen.

Not that I disagree with you, Blaine's opinion on Mish would be more valuable then his thoughts on Midnight, who we've seemed to decide has a good reason for what she is doing, where as Mish, not so much.

@Krowley Lol. But seriously, Lime green is for Town, Bright red is for Mafia, White is player names, and Dark red is my normal text colour. For reference.

Right now, my suspect list is like this, for reasons previously stated and Al's commentary on Blaine:

1. Mish
2. Blaine
3. Midnight
4(1/2). Al

But since you revealed your plan of taking them off of the stand when you're done interrogating, you lost any kind of anxiety-inducing effect it may have had to create an environment where the person would have lost their cool or facade. Now that they know there is no danger they aren't going to have that effect on them anymore.

Does anyone else think it's suspicious that right after Midnight suggested putting someone up on the spotlight, Mish didn't even respond to her idea and instead just threw someone up? Mish could easily be Mafia trying to send a Random Townie up, due to the fact that as long as the person is Town and not Mafia, if we were persuaded by the Mafia or unconvinced Townies
to decide to lynch the person in question, The Town Member would be beneficial for the Mafia to get rid of.

Now, on that theory, Midnight could also be Mafia taking a leadership role, hinting to the other Mafia, in this case possibly Mish to follow her lead to put someone up on the stand, and later go back on not lynching them to get rid of a Town.

What do the rest of you think?