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I'll personally hand draw some custom box art with my own Crayola crayons.

Same. That's getting the point of just getting another console for the Ultimate, if not a Wii U.

I'm hoping that the PC version happens anyway (I'm almost certain it will with how the interviews sounded) and that it happens before the end of the year, but that's probably unrealistic. Maybe spring of next year ._.

I share this viewpoint.

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I'm less annoyed that they removed it, more annoyed why they originally said they removed it. Kaplan's new statement is much better to me and I still support him and the game and the team behind it.

I'm just not so optimistic about how a forum post from a person whom I disagree with on this subject seemingly got that decision finalized. And I think the issue is the atmosphere and the way it happened; instead of quoting a bunch of different people saying that they were also not cool with the pose, it was just one reply in someone's complaint thread. Atmosphere most definitely matters in my opinion when taking community input into consideration, cause I've already seen a few posts, from women, who actually support stuff like that pose.

I thought about what I said about them removing the pose silently and realized that would have been a bad move too, so I'm with you there. But I meant to say, give players options to pick whatever poses for whatever characters they want to see in the game.

The wedgie is always there on Tracer's default, iconic suit. That's a big part of why I don't understanding removing that pose. She does the same pose in the game's big CG reveal cinematic.

Again restating, I'm going to buy and play the game and probably enjoy it regardless, but I feel a conversation about how this change happened and why was deserved.

And regardless what I think, I acknowledge Blizzard didn't get censored, they made the choice on their own and that's ok.

But for stuff we disagree less on, BvS's depiction of women. I think I should have clarified that I wasn't posting my thoughts in contrast to yours: just what I felt about the characters you mentioned.

I could maybe try some sketches for you guys when I have free time??? I'm a little rusty though, but I have done comic book kinds of stuff.

Perfect timing, since I finally finished the one from December earlier today.

Just want to say in advance I'm sorry if I've come off as insulting you or putting you down unfairly.

I mean if they did go with the concept of her being femJimmy. But I'm also venting how I didn't like their Lex but that's subjective and such.

And yeah, I'm not happy with that decision either.

The dumber part about this is, as you pointed out, the part where they changed R. Mika's grab, an ACTUAL WRESTLING MOVE, because of how it might be misconstrued?

...uhh...I think I remember seeing her in like one shot?

I'm not a fan of how Zack Snyder and the films' writers did changes like that and Lex as if just to be contrarian. If you change something, fine, but do it for a good reason, not because it's different.

It's onion "petals" not French fries.

Also get out of here thinking jalapenos on a burger isn't the tightest shit

I'm going to go ahead and ignore the last part of your post because of what respect I still have for you. Needless to say I found it below you (if you care what I think anymore.)

Their creative vision has been in a playable beta form for over a year now, and only now they decided to act on it.

I never said Blizzard "lied" about not being concerned: I'm saying, once again, that their motivations for this specific action are questionable to me. NOT BECAUSE I THINK THEY LACK CREATIVE BACKBONE. But because in the very same thread that this controversy was born in, I'm willing to bet that at least some of the pose's supporters were women. Are their opinions not worth listening to as well? Could an option to have such a pose not have worked out for every party of any mindset?

Tell me when I told you what the creative mission of Overwatch is, by the way. Tell me where I said that Blizzard is being disingenuous. I did not say that they never thought about it beforehand: the forum post just made them do it at least sooner and in a more publicized way, and I'm just overall not a fan of options being taken away, regardless if I agree with them or not.

(also gameplay balancing =/= character depiction so please don't try equating those)

I think both subjects, violence and sexuality/misogyny, generally deserve more conversation, but it's frustrating how only the second keeps making headlines. Anyway:

In both Man of Steel and Batman v Superman, I really liked Lois Lane as a character (less so in BvS)...until both films decided to strip away all intellect and agency from her in order to promote Superman as a hero in the third acts. That really pissed me off because she was probably the most sympathetic character for me in both stories.

Mercy....I'll be honest, I'm bewildered why they did what they did with her in BvS. It seemed so needless and unsympathetic to someone who could have been an interesting character to flesh out both herself and Lex. But we got what we got.

Finch was fine. I didn't find her role noteworthy. Nothing about her felt sexist or misogynistic

...who's Jenny?

Wonder Woman...eh. Her out-of-costume stuff wasn't very good and felt out-of-character as far as I understand her from cartoons, but in costume, I really liked her action scenes. Just wish they used her far better than they did.

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Like, WHY DID SUPERMAN NOT JUST GIVE HER THE KRYPTONITE SPEAR??? THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN SMART AND COOL.

I don't think I got your perspective though on the Tracer thing? What do you think about it? Personally, I don't think it's an issue to have a tiny bit of butt on her when she's portrayed as a confident, non-submissive character, but we've already seen some other people's thoughts on that. Maybe if some of the male characters had the booty too we could have avoided so much controversy, and I'd be totally fine with man butt in the game too, because I agree with you that male character too often don't get the same treatment and that can be (and has been frequently) problematic. Not that any sex/gender deserves to be degraded but I don't think Tracer's butt is degrading?

Sorry if my post isn't worded too well, I'm supposed to be reading about the history of mass media and I'm probably a bit dehydrated.

Ok, I respect Jeff and the team behind the game a ton (obviously as I preordered the game and plan to buy and play it and so do a few of my friends) but to think that this was just a coincidence is kind of ridiculous.

I'm not going to say that they did the wrong thing as artists, but the change that's occurred most certainly is because someone posted about it.

@Patman , do you see the US as being more reactionary as your country?

This pose isn't as big a deal as outfit changes or removing options for player character customization.

I stand by my point that there should have been options put in place, not outright removal. Misty is against the pose (not saying you're like up in arms); I'm not offended by it, so why can't Blizzard just let us choose for ourselves? And no, Blizzard wasn't forced to do this, but the motivation behind it and how easily they made the decision is what weirds me out, and I'm curious if anyone else's poses or outfits are subject to being removed.

Overall, this was only "news" because of how Blizzard handled the issue. Do it without saying anything and I wonder if anyone would have noticed. What I'm also very curious about is what pose they replaced this one with.