Results of Weapons Testing: This was a tough one to judge. I'm going to post the my results on this. To be honest, I've been procrastinating deliberatly because I wanted to consult with a couple friends to see who would win. :) Short Ranged Combat: The Ork Choppa vs Krogan Claymore Shotgun This alone was a difficult part to judge. Ork's are known and feared for thier melee ability with the choppa, which consist of a variety of axes and meat cleavers, even swords and other weapons. According to my independent research in Warhammer 40,000 thier weapons are even psyonically charged, and respond differently as different species pick up the weapons. Most strategies in Ork players involve charges and getting into melee range. The Krogan Claymore is a powerful weapon, which does devastating damage. In game, it can drop extraordinarly difficult opponents in one or two shots. This is not a weakness of the gun, but rather a game mechanic of most opponents being difficult to kill. It has a devastating blast at short range, as a good and proper shotgun should. Its known to break the arms of lesser humans, but Krogans are resilliant enough to take its recoil. EDGE: Spoiler Krogan Claymore. There is a reason our modern history saw melee weapons replaced by firearms as weapons. Bladed weapons require physical energy movement in order attack. Wheras, a firearm, requires you only to point in the direction of the target, and a squeeze of the trigger in order to execute the shot. It also gives more reach than a few feet extended beyond your physical reach. Firearms are simply a better and more effecient weapon. Mid Ranged Combat: On the one hand, we have a Ork Shoota vs the Krogan assault rifle. Nothing to special here. The Ork Shoota resembles a inhumanly large handgun. Orks are capable of weilding such a cumbersome weapon. Krogans on the other hand, wield a variety of assault rifles. Traditionally assault rifles are designed to be easier to wield, and more accurate. EDGE: Spoiler The Ork Shoota. Frankly, the Ork Shootas are bigger. Although I would imagine each assault rifle to be much more accurate, and the Orks to have accuracy issues, the bottom line is, the Shootas can kill Krogans, wheras, I doubt the rifles will be able to efficiently dispatch Orks. As Ork's are a level of toughness bordering the supernatural, it would take a lot of bullets from a traditional assault rifle. Long Ranged Combat: For long ranged combat we have two different philosphies: Precision vs Quantity. The Ork Big Shoota straddles the line between Heavy Machinegun, and Small Cannon. Fully Automatic, and overly powerful. Proof overkill is not in the Ork Vocabulary. On the otherhand, use an Anti Materiel (In game its called Anti Material which is incorect) sniper rifle. Its a powerful weapon designed to be used against armored opponents such as vehicles or even buildings. EDGE: Spoiler Tied. Although the Orks certainly have much more firepower with the Big Shoota, the Sniper Rifle is a purpose built precision tool specifically designed to take out key opponents accuratly at range before midrange and short ranged combat can be initiated. It offers more of a tactical edge. On the otherhand, the Big Shoota can serve another purpose. It can allow a massive amount of firepower, not obtainable with traditional weapons. The Big Shoota can be used to issue suppressive fire, forcing opponents to either withdraw from combat, or dig into thier current position... which makes them vulnrable to charges. I couldn't give the edge either way, as they both have thier flaws and weaknesses. Toughness: We also have two different ways they are tough. Orks, on the one hand, are not even truly animals, but rather, a animal/fungus hybrid. As a result, they are tough beyond what is reasonable for an animal. A mass of muscle and fungus. They can heal wounds fatal towards a normal creature, but they are truly something else. Krogan on the other hand are also extraordinary tough. Capable of surviving in extraordinary conditions which has killed off the weaker of the Krogan race, what is left, is simply the toughest and strongest, truly a product of natural selection at its harshest... EDGE: Spoiler Orks. Krogan are simply the strongest animals you can fathom. However, Orks however, break our paradime as to what an animal is. They are truly something else. A monsterous creature not hindered by the limitations of what an animal can survive. They are Orks, the toughest living being in the Warhammer 40,000 universe... and for good reason. They have the best of both worlds, animal, and fungus. Leadership: Orks have a primitive society, where "bigga" Orks rule weaker Orks simply because the latter is unable to protest without fear of retaliation of thier bigger stronger bretherin. Krogan on the otherhand have an organized army. Leaders are selected by thier intelect and leadership ability. EDGE: Spoiler Krogan. This one was pretty simple. The Ork leaders are the strongest on the battlefied, but that does not mean they have good leadership. Although this does not matter for Ork society, as thier tactics and strategy are usually pretty straight forward, such tactics could endanger the entire squad if an error in judgment was made. An especially good commander, on the otherhand, can make those underneith him much stronger, wheras a strong Ork leader is only strong himself. Krogan on the other hand are much like a modern army, where there is a chain of command. And logistically, those in leadership abilities are picked for abilities admired in leaders, such as intellect, or tactical and strategic philosophies. Aggression: This was one I put in just for kicks. But I was pleasantly suprised. Orks seem to base thier society on aggression. Some even claim the Banna Wava, the Ork charged with waiving the banner, is a religios icon. For the Krogan however, it is an evolved survival mechanism. EDGE: Spoiler Krogan. I was actually suprised. Warcraft Orcs (Based loosley off the Warhammer Orcs, which are the basis of the Warhammer 40k Orks) have Blood Lust which works similar to Blood Rage, but is invoked by the Shaman (Or Ogre Mage) rather than a survival instict. But to find such an ability in Krogan is suprising. I know I deviated off topic, but I'm the judge, I can do that. Blood Rage is simply unmatched. A creature which goes into a rabbid frenzy even when mostly dismembered is a level of aggression I cannot believe. Ork aggression, is impressive, but a double edge sword, thier infighting keeps them from becoming the most powerful force in the universe. Yet, it is what makes them so impressive in battle. Ultimatly, the Krogans aggression would give them a bigger edge in battle. FINAL BATTLE: Spoiler The scene opens up with 6 Orks sitting around a campfire. Orks were new to this virtually barren world. And had every intention of making it thier home. Dispite this, the party was rather small. The leader was a particularly large Ork, in one hand he carried a shoota with a bayonet ironically attached to a pistol like weapon, the other hand was enveloped in a large mechanical claw. Amounst him were other orks. Each of which carried a shoota, witha variety of designs, and a choppa, varying from a large meat cleaver, to a mideival battle axe. The only one not carrying a choppa of any sort was one carrying what appeared to be a rather large machinegun like device. The rounds loaded into it more closely resembled small artillery rounds. Cresting over the hill, was a party of Krogan warriors. One commander, one berzerker, and one marksman. Along with 3 soldiers. The leader carried a Claymore Shotgun, the marksman carried a Widow Sniper Rifle, the berzerker carried a shotgun as well as a rifle on his back, he also wore heavier battle armor than his counterparts with neon highlights throughout the armor. The other soldiers carried assault rifles and shotguns as backup weapons. Immediatly, they spot thier foes, who recognize them as well... "WAAAAAAGH!!!!" the battle cry rings out. The Orks charge! All of them begin advancing as fast as they can, all but one. The one carrying the Big Shoota pulls his weapon up to his hip, and opens fire, lobbing shells of ammunition as his opponents. Although not intended... the big shoota actually forces the Krogan to dive for cover, limiting thier ability to cut down the Ork at range. The marksman peeks out, taking aim at the leader, but they are simply charging to fast, the headshot misses! Instead, hollowing out the chest cavity of one of they boyz behind him, instantly stopping him. He is punished for his bravery, by taking a shot from a shooter to the shoulder downing him... but still alive, he draws his shotgun. The other Krogan take shots with thier rifles as they present themselves, but its too ineffective, the bullets are not big enough to stop the 4 green wrecking balls moving towards them at an alarming rate. With a command of thier leader, the Krogan switch weapons, towards thier favorite, the Claymore Shotgun. In unisense, they all stand up, and fire off a volley of shotgun blast, just before the Ork collapse onto them. In the carnage, two Orks are cut down, and one Krogan was torn in two by a direct hit from the Big Shoota, another was gunnned down by several shots to the body and one to the face by the other shootas, his armor and shields could not take the abuse. The leader grabs the marksmans rifle, and takes aim down range to kill what appears to be the greatest threat, BANG! The Ork carrying the big shoota is decapitated his lifeless body collapsing helplessly. The marksman jumps up, clawing and biting at one of the remaining Orks. The Ork responds with his meatcleaver like choppa, an overhead chop head nearly tears it into two even peices. The entrance wound is by the collar bone, and the exit wound of the blade is just below the ribcage. The Nob himself faces off with the Berzerker, in his heavy battle armor. The Berzerker fires off his shotgun, but most of the pellets do little but scrape into his face... it was not a clean shot, the Nob retailiates as he knows best, forcing his claw into the heavy armor, he squeezes the head till a loud crack is heard, the once proud berzerker is a lifeless shell! And as far as the Nob is concerned, the leader is now dead. The 5th Krogan fires a shotgun into the face of the 5th Ork, instantly dropping him. The Nob, still carrying the lifeless Berzerker on his claw, responds by stabbing the krogan in the back with his bayonet, kicking and screaming, he is lifted into the air. The struggle stops as the Ork pulls the trigger. The Ork stands victorious, carrying two lifeless Krogan, one mounted as trophies on each arms. Upon hearing a bolt of a gun slide back and forth, he turns around, eyes widdened, BOOM! The Krogan hipfires at short range, removing the Orks shoota arm. The Ork throws the Berzerkers corpse onto the Krogan leader, pinning him to the ground... The Ork walks up to the seemingly helpless Krogan, stepping on his chest. A snapping of bones could be heard as the Krogan stands there, the Krogan is in immense pain, wincing he feels his heart burst under immense weight of the much larger creature, suddenly pain is no longer a factor... only anger and rage. But is it too late? The Ork prepares for the final death strike with his claw, The Krogan prys the shotgun out of the dead Berzerkers arms, and fires a shot into the Orks shoulder, dismembering it. The Ork falls back... onto his back, the tables are now turned, the Krogan stands over him... And places a series of shotgun shots into the body, decapitating the Ork nob, and largly leaving only a puddle of blood and green chunks of meat. With a loud grunt, followed by a weak hiss... the last surviving Krogan limps away. Final Result: Krogan win. It was close for all the reasons I named... but they were just a little more advanced. I thought the Orks would be the hands down favorite, but I was suprised to the contrary.
It took ever ounce of my strengh not to put a "YOU MAD BRO" pic up... But seriously, the politcally correct people need to relax. Its kinda painful that we can not say anything without it being considered racist. How is "Bro" racist? I use "bro" in my everyday conversations with my family. It just means that what was once considered "black" is now more and more mainstream. Its a sign of lack of racism, not racism. Yet its "racist" because they didn't like it.
Spoiler Yup... its about right.
That's my signature. Not my Avatar. In otherwords... "Overuled" And that's a intended "Mistake" by the great Erkz. :) I would've. But I'm on my phone atm. V_v I culdnt post the "Objection!" Sprite.
Mine is a Pheonix Wright Organization XIII refference. I doubt anything is better. :)
I thought it was deliberatly capped to avoid spamage of adds and stuff in PM's.
I remember you Raichu.
I made a Krogan vs Ork thread... not a single response. Maybe deadliest warrior is burnt out aready...
I say they should ban everyone wearing a "Free Zter" t-shirt. :)
By the time they get to your room, everthing should be sealed... Unless you live with your folks.
If such a feature is implimented, make it optional. *is paranoid about location*
Best... post... ever.
http://www.kh-vids.net/showthread.p...liest-Warrior-Episode-4&p=3479319#post3479319 Ork vs Krogan Roxas would be a tough one to measure, we dont get enough of him. But I'd be glad to put him in with a good matchup.
Rules: For those of you who have not seen the show Deadliest Warrior: Its a way of comparing two warriors who have never met on the battle field, and comparing them against eachother in a fair and reasonable way and in turn figuring out who is the deadliest. I dont want this thread to boil down to "Well ______ is stronger than _____ because he's epic!" It would be more reasonable to list thier powers and abilities and limitations. Its good to point out your weaknesses in your oponents abilities. Also, source any material you post. For example, don't say, "_____ is imortal because he can't be killed!" but instead, "_____ is importal because on chapter xxxx of part xxxx he did this, and revealed he couldn't be killed. In this matchup: We will not be comparing two different warriors, but rather, two different factions of alien warriors. One society, we have the Orks, from the universe of Warhammer 40,000. This mighty "Green Wrecking ball" strikes fear into all the other warlike species in thier universe. In fact, some have commented, that thier constant infighting is the only thing keeping it from consuming the universe. These mighty warriors, live with one purpose, WAAAGH! The warcry echos out, its time for the Orks to prove who's biggah. On the other hand, we have the the Krogan, of Mass Effect universe. These species are a much more tragic one. Through years of adversity, the Krogan have learned to be selfish, aggressive, unsympathetic and violent. Thier numbers dwindle, but thier response is unchanged, respond to oppression with aggression. Thier society is now based upon war, to kill and pillage. Technology itself has brought this once tribal society, to a force to be reckoned with. They will not yield quietly to the Orks. In this Matchup we will test: Closed Quarters Combat (Melee) Mid Ranged Combat (Conventional Firearm Range) Long Ranged Combat (Longer) Toughness (Armor or physical toughness) Combat Leadership and finally, JUST PLAIN AGGRESSION! Keep in mind, that this will be squad on squad action. We will assume that each squad will have 1 typical field commander (I don't want the almighty Ork King himself on the battlefield) as well as a typical team of 5 others who may or may not have a variety of weapons that would be expected of thier respective faction. Now, the universe of Mass Effect, and Warhammer have never crossed paths, we must ask ourselves, if these two factions of warriors ever met on the battlefield, who is deadliest.
In interspecies war, or WAAAAGH! if you must, I believe the Orks would be invincible in ideal conditions (even in Warhammer 40k). But in smaller scales (no pun intended) they may be beatable. Plus I always wanted to see squad action. :) Next matchup. Wait for update.
Indeed he does. But in Deadliest Warrior, it usually takes the warriors at peak power. However, if you wanted to specify, Soul Calibur 1 or Soul Blade Siegfried against Sten. But, srsly, Siegfried (Or any Soul Series character) is suppoed to be human, but fights at a superhuman level. C'mon, Mitsu is blocking bullets, Taki is fighting armies of Oni in her backyard, Sophitia has God Of War level weapons. Siegfried fights on par with them in every part of the series, in fact, at the end of Soul Blade, Siggy takes out flipping Inferno, then he just gets stronger. I don't know where Sten is from, but does he have a chance?
I'm an Soul Calibur connoisseur, it would be unfair for me to judge anything involving Siegfried. All I can tell you, is in the lore of Soul Calibur, he is not superhuman, but he fights at a superhuman level. He has no magic, aside from his Soul Calibur being the purified form of the greatest weapon ever made in the history of all weapons. And I put a result for cloud vs squall.
Results: Spoiler A lone swordsman in black dismounts his motorcycle, equipped with a large set of swords accross his back. He walks into the inner chamber, and equips looks down at the seemingly ungaurded artifact, "Thats all there was? This is getting easier and easier." "You don't belong here." a voice called out. From the shadows. "That doesn't belong to you." he continues, consicely lecturing the SOLDIER. "Listen, I don't want to hurt you. Step aside." Cloud responded, looking down for some reason, avoiding eye contact. But still talking sternly. Squall draws his weapon, a gunblade, one half resembling a revolver, the other half, resembling a falchion sword. Cloud grimaces for a moment, not wanting to fight, but none the less, the decision was made, his oppoenent challenged him. Almost instantly, he draws all his swords, assembling a much larger weapon, the completed Fusion Sword. Leon responed with Rough Divide, jumping into the air, and coming down onto his opponent like a balistic missle. Cloud blocks such a ferioucious attack, his feet not lossing traction as he slides back, but rather, the surface area of the old temple tile breaking apart. Squall bounces off and lands a fair distance away, Cloud regains his stance quickly enough to counter, swinging his sword over his head, he calls down a barrage of meteors unto his opponent. Squall is nimble enough to avoid such an attack, jumping between the meteors, he lands within striking distance of Cloud, and follows up with a slash. Cloud manages to block one blade with his armband of all things, and continues to block his followup attacks with his sword. Squall is just too nimble for Cloud carrying the heavier sword, he is slowly losing ground in a flurry of slashes from his opponent. At the end of Squalls stream of attacks, he does a 360 degree pivot, leaving a trail of red hovering orbs floating, at the end of the pivot, the blade stops aimed directly at clouds face, BANG! Cloud crumbles to the ground, taking a portion of the blast to the face. Feeling the warm sensation of blood dripping down his cheek, he regains his stance. But Squall has too much momentum, he follows up his attack with a stronger one, as Cloud stumbled reeling from his previous attack, Squall took a moment to charge his blade, allowing a large Blue Aura to form around it, drastically increasing its size. Following up, Squall lunges forward, with the heart of a lion, he uppercuts his oppoent, leaping into the air to match his oppoenent, he continues slashing at him each slash faster than the previous, but before the last attack, he winds up, and swings his strongest attack being his final, a visible shockwave is released as it connects. In a pool of blood, Cloud lands. "Guess that was too much." Squall mumbles to himself. A smirk grows upon his face, until he realizes, his oppoenent wasnt done. Slinging his blade over his shoulder, he gives Cloud time to stand. "Lets see what you got left then." "I got plenty." Cloud says, spitting a mouthfull of blood onto the ground. Cloud's aura suddenly changes, he glows as he lunches forward, with a heavy chop, which wasn't difficult for the relativly fresh Squall to defend, once parried, Cloud's Fusion blade triggers, splitting apart, and spreading around, Squall keeps his attention on the oppoenent directly in front of him, and with a flash, he is gone. Before Squall can retaliate, he is slashed accross the back, the side, chest face, blades comming from every direction, at increasingly alarming speeds. Once the combo is complete, Cloud lets fractions of the Fusion Sword land upon the ground. He walks over to the artifact he was commisioned to return with, and slings it over his shoulder. A moan eminates from his opponent as he walks by, the defeated Squall is unable to reach his Gunblade. Cloud looks back, letting out a sighing, he drops the artifact, and pulls out his cellphone. "Cloud is that yo-" the sweet femine voice is interupted by Clouds, "Someone's hurt, get a bed ready." "Is everything alr-" "Hurry, I'll be right there." Hanging up his phone, he returns it to its sleeve. Lifting up the wounded SEEDling, he carries him back to his motorcycle. The bottom line. Cloud is superhuman, Squall is Peak Human. Superhuman beats Peak Human.
Banned, for using an avatar that features a pokemon with a crudly hidden mispelled name of Kobra backwards.
