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Here they just keep on raising the tax for cigarettes. Doesn't really stop a lot of people from buying even if they don't have enough money for much more.

The problem is, both of them are highly addictive. You can put a 5 billion dollar tax on cigarettes and people would still buy it because they need it. It's the same with caffeine. My mom is so addicted she can't do anything until she drinks her first cup of coffee. She even told me once she wouldn't even be able to drive without that first cup.

To answer your question, clawtooth...

I don't think not nearly as many people realize that there's a book about it. About half of the books I end up reading now was from not knowing there was one before the movie.

When it comes to the movie, even people have heard about the book might think that people who see the movie will read the book. It's just one of those publicity/promotion things.

EDIT: Also, if you read some of the reviews for the Dark Materials Series, specially the last one, there's a lot of protests in it, but not nearly as much now.

A little off-topic...

My mom always told me what I wanted to know. If I asked about how babies are born, even at four, she'd tell me. She wouldn't tell me as an adult, but she would tell me at the age that it's appropriate at. My dad, who's a blind follower Evangelical Christian, never told me what I asked about. He talked a lot about God, and he talked a lot about the church and it's beliefs. God always came up no matter what we talked about.

My mom gave me a lot more to impress from, and I learned more from her. She never imposed her point of view unless it was something that was morally wrong. My dad basically tried to impose his POV at every chance.

And yes, my dad is a health freak, doesn't go to the doc's even if he's dying, though. He takes about 5,000 vitamins. (I kid you not.)

I think the movie itself isn't the problem, it's what the reaction is to it. My mom told me after seeing it last night that it is free will, God gives us free will. And I believe that. And yes, she believes you can take the wrong path from reading the books or seeing the movies, but it's up to you to decide that.

First you have to see it, and talk to the kids about it.

Another thing that bothers me about it is not just the fact they're banning the children. It's HOW they're doing it.

I remember during the 1960's of the Civil Rights movement. I saw a lot of videos of not the kids starting the problems, but the PARENTS being angry and throwing fits and rioting and throwing things at black kids or adults as they try to integrate into the white society. The kids followed a short time later, for a while, it seemed like the kids were actually trying to be nice to the new change and helping them, but it looked like their parents basically showed it wasn't okay, or that it was okay to do what they did.

Here I see in a lot of reviews of kids posting: "Well... My mom said I couldn't go because it's the devil." *trying not to give spoilers* Or: "My mom brought me and told me in the beginning that they hate God and it's against God."

These parents are talking about IMPRESSIONABLE kids. These kids will take something away from this, whether or not their parents know it. They're throwing fits, and quoting the bible, and saying how this is how society becomes morally corrupt from this and saying that this is the thing that will destroy society in a place where kids will read those replies. They're not hiding the fact that they're religious, have kids, and don't believe in any of this kind of stuff, either.

It's not just the movie in this case, it's what... *thinks for a moment* It's what overall you bring away for these kids that are important.

Whether or not it's religious or not.

The thing is with the U.S. is that there's so many well... Drunks... Out there. *no offense to anyone*

People who are drunk, and are around kids with that. Putting kids at that age might screw them up a lot more than living in that home. My parents bought me fake alcohol and I hated it so much after a few weeks I never have touched real or fake alcohol since.

I think it's personally up to the parents and the country. In high school, I was scared out of anything involving drinking and/or smoking. Here at least for me, they told you all the horror stories behind the joy of drinking and smoking.

But a lot don't, so I don't know...

This should be in help...

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Well... Now I'm upset, a good friend of mine who I've known for years blocked me when I told her to see it.

It's just... Stupid. They haven't even seen the movie yet are thinking that the movie should be banned and that society is going to burn in hell for making a movie like this. Reading the Yahoo reviews like that makes me wonder who really is making this country/world worse.

These kids are impressionable, yes... But does it really make these kids better putting them in such a pov where only what is approved by the church is fine and the rest is the devil?

This reminds me of so many times past in history it makes me wonder.

Have we really changed or learned from history? Or are we just in a cycle that will never end?

Much better, thank you... *to Unsaintly* It's not just posting what happens to spoil it for everyone else, it's posting your thoughts and beliefs. More than just a sentence.

As for what you said, would it make the person more sheltered to not see it? Saying what a kid can and cannot see just because of beliefs won't allow them to ever wonder what is out there, won't allow them to think that they can't have their own thoughts and morals not throughly supported by the church.

I have a god mother who's a blue-blooded Catholic and she's seen all the Harry Potter movies. Does that make her wrong and less of a Catholic? No, my dad has heard about it, even though I haven't brought him to a movie since he started praying in the second one, he even compares it to Christianity.

And yet both are censored by the church. There are cults out there like the one portrayed in the movie. And no, I'm not targeting any religion, I'm just point that out. Does that make it worse that they did pick a popular religion?

It's up to the parents to decide what to teach the kids from it. They could say: "People should burn in hell for letting them see this movie." Or teaching them the morals and values and courage of standing for your own belief and your friends.

It's not the movie, it's what you get from it. Yes, so kids might question the beliefs, but in some points it could be something that parents could teach their kids about, not just say: "It's the devil!!!" I think that actually does more harm than good because kids won't grow up to learn or think anything else.

In some ways, it actually does lead back to the movie.

Look, if you want to "Intelligently" discuss the movie, go ahead. You already earned a warning, if you want to continue, the ban button is nearby.

No spoilers, though I doubt it's true. And note, I'm an admin... I can give out warnings if I see comments like that, Unsaintly.

Dude, stop making these threads.

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Yeah, and we choose the name.

Guys...

It's not funny anymore. Stop it. *sharply*

I don't like any of this, and I'm seriously pissed off at all of you. Even fooling around you shouldn't say **** like this.

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Banned...

Don't believe these Riku codes, guys.

Yeah, he thought it'd be an excellent idea. I'll ask him on when you should contact him.

Oh yeah, I'm only letting the coders know, so DS doesn't even up with 500 PM's from members.

Only coders with this one, I'll let them filter through the vids with each other and others.

You guys can ask the guys in yellow to give DS a break on it.

Umm... This is why we have introduce yourself and Forum help...? Also, this is already filling with spam?

PM me if you can actually try to explain this to me.

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My fault... *banging head on desk* You can all yell at me. Sorry, guys.

Since there's already a thread about this.

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