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  2. Gobolo
    I agree with your three kinds of "deists", however the last part of your post interests me. By giving God a capital G I assume you are talking about the Christian god. So I shall present a counter-argument from that angle. Now in the book of Genesis there are two stories of creation. Genesis chapter 1 and Genesis chapter 2.
    Here are some examples of the first one:
    These two verses state that God simply says something and it is. Comparable to Harry Potter saying "Lumos" and just by saying the word light comes from the tip of his wand. This supports your argument that "God simply created man on the spot out of nowhere" - he just said the words and there was whatever he said he wanted. No process of making is shown they just exist after he says he wants them.

    However compare that way of creating to the creating these verses from the second creationist story in the Bible present.
    The method God uses in Genesis chapter 2 is one that is not the same as Genesis chapter 1. Instead of just saying "give me some plants" and growing plants out of nothing it states that in order for them to grow they needed rain to grow. Also, God doesn't say "oh let's make a man now and he shall rule over all this stuff" - he actually made by hand the body of man out of something. This negates the statement that God made man out of nowhere.

    When Darwin published his thesis on evolution the majority of the Christian church saw nothing wrong with the first story of creation. This made them say "but we just were made and evolution is a lie!" When the theories behind evolution were supported by the majority of the public the followers of the Christian beliefs system said, "how come genesis is contradictory to what most people are thinking?" In the early stages the response was always "they are lying." But as time went on more people were stating that that a good enough reason. So some of the people reread genesis looking for ways that supported evolution. Some anonymous person stated that the second genesis creation story supported humans coming from something instead of nowhere. Some people started paying more attention to the second Genesis story whereas the mainstream church still stuck to the "evolution is a lie"/"genesis chapter 1 ftw" angle. Each denomination picked an angle along with the independent churches. That's the history behind both trains of thought existing today. So the people who put more emphasis on Genesis chapter 2 aren't being contradictory to the Bible in terms of what they believe in - they support the Bible and keep their mind open to the theories behind evolution.

    "But", you say, "humans didn't evolve from soil!" There are a lot of metaphors in the Bible. Maybe soil is a metaphor for what is before man (when you walk down a track you are walking on soil, and leaving it behind). Or it might be a metaphor for something else as the original Hebrew might have been translated into the word soil for simplicity because the translator didn't consider a metaphor. Because of this we do not know for sure what the intended metaphor is. So there you have it. That's how it isn't contradictory to the Bible for a Christian to believe in evolution.
    Post by: Gobolo, May 29, 2010 in forum: Debate Corner
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    1+1 = ???

    Well if 1 resembles the concept of 1 (not half a fish) 1 = 0.9 recurring
    because 1/2 = 0.5 right? and 0.5 x 2 = 1 or 2/2
    and 1/3 = 0.3 recurring right? and 0.3 x 3 = 0.9 recuring or 3/3 or 1
    so 1 = 0.9 recurring.
    so 1 + 1 = 2(3(0.3 recurring))
    that is an acceptable answer!
    XD
    Post by: Gobolo, May 29, 2010 in forum: The Spam Zone