For this theory, I will be using Aqua and Ven as the names of the other knights. Sorry ロクサス. :p When he first sees Sora, the E.S. thinks Sora is Aqua or Ven. There must be a reason why Ven and Roxas look alike, just like there was a reason why Roxas and Sora looked alike. Whatever the connection is between Sora and Ven, the E.S. is able to sense it, and he briefly assumes that Sora is Ven. The reason he connects Aqua to Sora is because Aqua left her mark on Sora; she was the voice who guided Sora in the beginning of the first game. When he decides that Sora isn't Aqua or Ven, he thinks of someone he "chose". Riku was originally meant to weild the keyblade that Sora has. Perhaps the E.S. chose Riku as the one would would inherit the Kingdom Key. Now he sees someone with the Kingdom Key, who isn't the new keyblade weilder that he chose. So he assumes that Sora must be the enemy, Xehanort, trying to fool him.
That was wonderfully thought out and organized. Thank you. You've kept using the name Larry! :p Were you the one who first threw that name out as a joke? This was the first time it occured to me that Fate of the Unknown and Sunset Horizons could be two separate battles. The idea gave me a fit of excitement. The two secret endings are composed so that the audience automatically think one is a continuation of the other, but Nomura loves to trick us. You have a good argument for why the three knights in Sunset Horizons could be Riku, Sora, and Kairi. I strongly want to beleive it's them, but as you said, there's too much that doesn't add up. Let's try a new twist: We'll assume that Sunset Horizons and Fate of the Unknown are two separate battles. In Sunset Horizons, Sora, Riku, and Mickey's keyblades are there because they just fought XH, and lost. The knights that show up are actually Larry, Aqua, and Ven, and all three of them have Awakened. They will fight XH, in the same place where they lost before, but this time they're Awakened and have more keyblades. They might win this time. Along this line of thinking, the majority of the next game could deal with Sora and Mickey finding the Room of Sleep and the Room of Awakening. One thing you don't address is why Ven looks so much like Roxas/Sora. There must be a reason for it. :(
That's not confirmed. The words Aqua and Ven could refer to places, objects, or people. ロクサス explains this better than I could: http://www.kh-vids.net/showthread.php?t=7863&page=37#407 "Ven doesn't mean 'sky' in Latin. The word Ven doesn't even exist in Latin. As well, you can't be 100% sure he's talking about people. He said "Aqua.. Ven.. Keyblade". The Keyblade isn't a person, it's an object. One could easily surmise that Aqua, Ven and the Keyblade could be of equal prominence--which therefore does NOT limit it to being people."
Thank you! I'm going to save this imformation. I agree with you. Aqua and Ven are important terms, for sure, but there is confirmation of who/what/where they are, anything that we designate them to is just speculation.
Why don't we try a new spin? Nomura said the secret ending happens in the past...but possibly in the future too. If the crossroads don't exist within a specific time, the three knights and Baldy could have come from four different time periods. The ES and the Roxas look-a-like could be from time periods when keychains didn't exist. Keychains could be newer technology. When the keyblades originally were made, keychains didn't exist. But eventually someone wonders 'how can I improve my keyblade?' and creates the first keychain. Keychains then become common, and all keyblades are created with a hole for keychains.
Links between characters are very strong in KH. When Sora forgot himself, everyone forgot him. But that connection is through hearts. Kairi's connection to Sora, Sora's connection to everyone on Destiny Islands... If Roxas is able to stay in contact with his heart even though it's not with him, then maybe Axel was able to touch his again, with a lot of emotional stimulation. On the trinity circle that Roxas draws to get to the lower floor of the Twilight Town mansion, there are three symbols: the heartless symbol, the nobody symbol, and a third one that is mostly obsured. It could be a crown, if the bottom of the crown was very rounded. So the crown could represent whatever that trinity set represents. Heart (heartless), Body (nobodies), and Soul/Mind (the rounded crown). Or maybe Dark, Nothingness, and Light.
So Castle Oblivion likely exists in the realm of nothingness. The World that Never Was exists in the realm of darkness. Most of the worlds that we travel to are located in the realm of light. But what exists in the realm of twilight? Twilight Town? That place feels like it should belong to the light. This also implies that in the secret ending, all the soldiers are coming from different realms. Which means that the battle must happen after the original world has separated.
Could Castle Oblivion exist in the same world that the battle in the secret ending exists? The battle in the secret ending happens at the crossroads. Sora stumbles on the crossroads later, and one of the paths lead him to Castle Oblivion.
If the battle happens in the distant past, and all the fighters are involved in the keyblade wars, the place could be the original whole world, before the lands were split. It would make sense for something as important as the crossroads to exist in a place like that.
Pardon my ignorance, but what does SE stand for? Taken from the interview with Nomura: http://www.kh2.co.uk/?page=NI/KH2U "Was the Mansion in Twilight Town a property of the XIII Organization? No, they have nothing to do with it. It's just a place DiZ used as his hideout. You saw a lot of pods like the one Sora was in but DiZ just transfered Sora and the others along with their pods from Castle Oblivion. In other words, DiZ just copied the pods that were created by the Organization and lined them up (in the Mansion). The reason there's a room in the Mansion that looks exactly like Castle Oblivion's was just prepared for Namine, not because that space is connected to Castle Oblivion." So the pods were created by the Organization, and Ansem originally didn't have anything to do with them. This wasn't something he helped them on before they became Nobodies. The pod that Sora was in was created by Namine. Was she copying technology used by the Organization, or did she inately have knowledge of how to create pods?
Everyone's talking about Ven this, and Aqua that, but I haven't seen an actual translation of what the knight says before he battles Sora. Can anyone point me towards one? For that matter, can anyone tell me what happens when you win the fight?
That could be explained through the theories that Baldy is Xehanort, and Baldy possesses the tall knight's body at the end of the battle. Naturally, the ghost of the knight would hate Xehanort for being a threat in the first place, and for being forced out of his own body.
There's an interesting discussion going on about a form of existance that goes beyond Nobodies, Heartless, and Somebodies. Briefly in this discussion, it's mentioned that Axel and Roxas being able to feel may be related to Awakening. The discussion can be found here. Read the whole thing, or just search the word "Axel" to find the brief tidbits relating to him and Roxas. http://www.kh-vids.net/showthread.php?t=8731&page=4#34 http://www.kh-vids.net/showthread.php?t=8731&page=4#35
I think you've got some good points. The smallest knight looks just like Roxas/Sora. In all likelihood, he's another version of them. Or they're another version of him. I also agree that the battle likely happened in the past. And if that's true, does that mean that this happens on the the world that existed before the separation of worlds?
This explanation reconciles things for me. I couldn't understand why there would be a heart _and_ soul. It was redundant. So I beleived that the third part must be memories/mind. But if we are able to call memories the soul, then things will coincide with Ansem's Secret Report #7. If Soul/Mind is a third part of a Somebody, can it be slipt in two? Xemnas had intellect and memories, but so did his heartless. On the flip, Roxas had intellect, but no memories of Sora. If a Nobody is made of body and soul, why would a Nobody have it's own symbol that is separate from soul? I still beleive that memories are vitally important to the KH series, but I'm not sure if I still beleive they are the third part of a Somebody or not. Kanji, the idea of an "Awakened" being is wonderful. Aoi310, thank you for following up on the mind/memories idea. :) This makes a lot of sense. If the Soul stays with the Body to become a Nobody, then why would there be a symbol for Nobody and Mind? Maybe the trinity that Roxas draws isn't meant to represent the three parts of a Somebody. Minor thought: Roxas' black and white clothes could have represented how as a nobody, he is neither light nor dark. I have a hard time beleiving that the third symbol of the trinity stands for Somebodies. This is based on a feeling, not logic. The camera was angled to hide the symbol, and therefore intrigue all the viewers. The symbol seems to represent something shrouded in secrecy, something that we don't know of already.
Something about the girl inspired admiration in me. She really seemed to pay attention to what was going on around her, while the tall knight just struggled to gain ground, and the small knight moved too fast to be thinking ahead. And when she was knocked down, the first thing she did, before she was even on her knees, was send out that protective spell for the tall knight. In that moment she seemed so capable, like she could take on anything. Everything about the smallest knight seemed young. From the way the tall knight held him back, to the way he moved fast but without fully seeing the dangers, to his ultimate fate. The fact that he had the face of a character that we all know and care about so much only made the heartache worse... That moment where the two of them wondered: 'Is he going to die?' 'Am I going to die?'
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You know what? I trust the cutscene more. That was made directly under Nomura's eyes. The strategy guides are given to other companies to be done. What's in the guide may just be a nonsense symbol.
Things seem calm when Mickey arrives. I beleive he shows up after the battle is over. No one is sure who the old guy is. We know this about him: -He wears an outfit like Ansem/Xehanort did in the first game. -He can control darkness. -The clone that he made is wearing the same suit as Riku did in KH1 & CoM. If you beleive that this battle happens in the past, then the suit was probably made by the old man. -He's trying to summon/make Kingdom Hearts. But the KH that he makes seems incomplete, since it's all blue with no yellow glow. Oopsies, you already said that Mickey just got there. Sorry. :D Maybe he gave Star Seeker back after KH1? He doesn't need it anymore, so he gives it back to Yen Sid. Then Yen Sid gives it to Sora.
I think the third part of the whole is memories. Memories could could represent the mind. Let's say that Xehanort is the tall knight from the secret ending. At the end of the battle, he loses one part of him being, his mind/memories. He then ends up at Radiant Garden where Ansem takes him in. Xehanort knows he's missing something, and that this missing part is somehow related to Kingdom Hearts, so his quest for power begins. Flash forward to Final Mix+. Sora finds a portal in Disney Castle (probably the same one the king found/used) and it takes him to the scene of the desert battle. He encounters a tall red knight that seems like a ghost. My guess is that the ghost is actually a physical representation of Xehanort's third part, his memories, that was left behind at the battle.
