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"Of course. I'm not the sort to blank people over politics." Karl gestured for her to come on up and sit next to him and turned towards the bar. Once she arrived, he looked at her. "That's absolutely right. I don't believe in unnecessary fighting. Honestly, I think that we're better off unifying rather than fighting right now. The Fae are... Concerning." He replied. It was difficult to say what this Cassandra was about, however she seemed perfectly reasonable.
"That being said, it pays to be prepared." One of his hands drifted to the knives across his chest, dancing along the hilts before putting the hand down on the table again. "Grayson has gone off the radar for now, and apparently there are plenty of others. Truthfully I don't know much about them. Not that it really matters. We stand for what we stand for and when we arrive it'll all come out."




"You're right Hedrick. Tell your Queen we say thank you, and then tell her to go to hell." Corvo dragged Yorick inside, turned away and shut the door behind him. "I'll deal with Yorick quickly. Clear this place out and we'll move out as soon as possible." He dragged the mindless Yorick through the institute to the room where he fought Felicia and Clarity before. He pushed him against the wall opposite the window and pointed the Contender at him.
"By the authority granted to me by the Clave in my position as Inquisitor of the Shadow Hunters, the punishment for your treachery shall be death. No trial is necessary and overwhelming evidence of your guilt has been given, nor can testimony be given by the defendant due to his lack of mental capacities." Corvo cocked the gun and aimed for the head. "Any last words, Yorick?" The anger at the betrayal called up a cruel smile on his face.
"No, of course not." He pulled the trigger. After the body slumped to the floor, he pulled all symbols of authority and the Stele of Yorick from his body, then retrieved a fire extinguisher. He wrote a Rune of Fire and watched the old Nephilim burn. It was not the most dignified end, but the man was a shadow of his former self. He applied the fire extinguisher if the flames spread elsewhere. He spent some time considering their situation. Time was now of the essence. If Titania was happy to throw Yorick away then it was clear that her plans were almost reaching fruition. They had to find Yuri and raise a force and fast. Eventually Yorick was gone, and the fire put out at which point he went downstairs.
"Let's get out of here. We have a Vampire King to find." He spoke, a stern expression on his face.




Glynda swiftly departed after they accepted Yorick, glad that it had not come to conflict. She quickly reported the result to Titania out of necessity but returned to her office where she put her head in her hands with her elbows on the desk. She gritted her teeth. Things were bad, that much was quite clear. Her queen was making mistakes in pursuit of... Something. They were heading for disaster. The humans told the tale of Icarus who flew too close to the sun, and she could see Titania going down that way. She was presuming too much, and she was all too aware that the general opinion of the Fae was dropping. The other races were concerned and the Nephilim were going to be poised against them. How many would be opposed to them the same way? Cinead was clearly her as well. Now that other factions in the Seelie Court were willing to move against her, it was clear that Titania was making plenty of enemies. Even with her power... She was in the centre of the issue. She was on nobody in particular's side. Did that make her in a strong place, or a weak one? Was she everyone's friend, or a mutual enemy?

Therefore, it was with a heavy heart and mind that she went into the meeting that she called. Glynda had not been present at the revelries, and so she was immaculate. Her failure to attend would be seen as odd, but given the present situation she felt little drive to socialise. She was immaculate as always and no sign of her internal strife showed. When she broke the news about Gaia, she was as shocked as the rest of them. However, unlike the others she strode after her Queen.
"My Queen, this is serious. What is it that needs to be done? What preparations are being made?" The implied question being 'What use can I be here?​

Yeah, I agree that's probably what got this all started. But now surely it's time to stop that and bring our issues out in the open and have an honest, calm and reasonable conversation about it all right?

lol, true dat.

No, I'm not saying that we need to ignore the problem entirely. I think that if there's a problem, it does need to be solved. But the way to solve it isn't by leaving en masse and saying snide things in private. All that breeds is the aggression and frankly hateful attitudes that have been flying around lately, and it isn't necessary.

I'm not the solution to the problem, and I don't believe that there's a silver bullet that makes every right immediately. But comments like the ones that have been made thus far in the thread have not been conducive to that solution. We need to talk to each other, and to discuss.

And I haven't lay any blame on anyone. All I've done is asked people to take a few minutes to think and calm down before doing anything rash, whether that be leaving or posting things angrily.

C'mon, that's not in the spirit of things either :/

That was uncalled for and unnecessarily rude. Please apologise because I've done nothing wrong, just trying to ask people to calm down. On my own initiative I might add.

Come on guys, that's the wrong attitude to have. There's a lot of negativity around and it's just not necessary. People have acted already and there's nothing that can be done about that, but the hope is that people who haven't already done things take a while to think before taking action.

Good job everyone! Having seen who all the Mafia were there were a couple of moments where I feared for the Town (Judge clearing Mixt for instance) but you all pulled through. Nice work guys!

I'm still down for it. Calling shotgun on next available space? XD

In all seriousness, what times would we be having? I mean, as far as I know all you guys are NA which makes it a little awkward on me being in the UK but I should be able to get around that given that it's the summer.

Totally down for it. Love a bit of tabletop RPG'ing.

##Vote: Extend Day. Nice way to keep things noticeable. I like it.

Welcome back to Mafia Maru! We're getting a suspiciously familiar cast together now XD

Seems like a reasonable explanation, which is pretty much what I wanted to see from you. I wanted to see what would happen if I did pressure you, and now I've seen. I'm not sure that I entirely trust you in all honesty, however you're not as significant of a threat as others as far as I am concerned now so I am happy to leave you where you are. For now at least.

##Unvote: Mish

Solid roundup there Maru, back on form again I see. Judging by Maru's behaviour and KH530's before her, I don't believe that Maru is actually Mafia. She is taking a far too pro-town approach for me to really consider her suspicious and I think that KH530's actions came down to inexperience and potentially even being slightly overwhelmed by the game (Happened to me first game or two a little). Marushi's call to action on the players' side is massively against Mafia interest. Promoting investigations is the last thing that the Mafia wants - The less information people think they have, the better. Right now, we're pursuing a reasonable number of angles which keeps the pressure on and given the amount of eyes we have on the cases at the moment, things will crop up.

That said, I can't suspect Marushi because she seems too happy and even when she was Maf I didn't think of it.

For now though, gut instincts are telling me that her and KH530 before her are probably Town.

My thoughts exactly.

While it's true that yes, we do need to lynch someone today I don't think that serves as a particularly good justification for trying to push a lynch on Marushi on what we've got. There are other fish to fry.

Insightful as always Judge and I, as I have often before, find myself in agreement with what you're saying on Krowley. It was an effective kill on someone who could have been a threat and was stopped before they got started.

The matter of Tale is certainly an interesting one and as you've quite rightly said, they've been flying under the radar for the game so far. Not doing too much, but not too little. That would fit in with where the Mafia would want to be in theory as far as I'm concerned. Being #2 on a wagon doesn't necessarily lead to someone being Mafia, but there's certainly a case to be made for them trying to encourage that wagon to get rolling which it, ultimately, did not. If I were a conspiratorial character then one could say that the kill that night was because the wagon failed and they wanted to prevent him from being a problem later.

Mixt also fits that not too much and not too little bill that seems to be the generally thought to be ideal spot, and Cal is an interesting case who I'll respond to a bit later. Judging by Mixt's later posts, I'm erring on the side of Town for now. It's not particularly in the interest of the Mafia to extend the day because it gives more time to discuss leads.

I'll corroborate the change in personality from her previous games that she brings up in a post (Which has some things which I'll be looking at later). What I will say is this - She is definitely a strong candidate for being something suspicious and it would be best to see what the night brings. The cop thing could be equally true, hence me saying to wait and see what the night brings with regards to Cal.

Interesting points about Cat~, and I think that it's worth pursuing that angle.

Agreed on all accounts.

And oh boy, here's a big one. As I have been with other posts before, I'll be cutting parts out of this one to show off the ones I believe to be the most pertinent.

So, your point about theories is very true and I agree with that. And I also agree that we shouldn't lynch you Cal because you're probably dead tonight for the aforementioned reasons. And playing devil's advocate is also reasonable.

What I don't understand in any way is your total fixation on that accusation that Krowley made. On the very first day you attempt to clear both myself and you despite there being no real need for it and you have constantly come back to that today. It's almost as if you're trying to draw attention to yourself, or to me with the amount of times that you bring it up. It always comes down to the "At least one of us must be Mafia or at best both" thing. I don't understand why you need to make such constant reference to it. And a further thing, if we're talking about people being defensive, one could quite easily point to you defending your hypothesis on the Mafia M.O. surrounding the Krowley kill. I've cut most of that out because it's just not that important. As Judge stated earlier, Krowley's death is not as significant as we seem to be making it out to be. We've extracted what we can out of it at this point with the information available and I'm willing to say now that to bring it up again would be to detract from getting into more important discussions.

And if we were going to go by the same strands of logic that you use, then this is an intricate ploy to potentially ingratiate yourself to me who is apparently generally thought to be Town aligned. The talk of being 90% sure is you playing devil's advocate in order to appear to be the investigative townie considering all of her options as a disguise. Compared to everyone else, you're very confident about the Mafia's particular operational style. It is true that such a thing is good to speculate on, the fact that you're trying to defend your view on it so much may well be because that is the impression that you wish to give the Town.

That being said, I'm not sure if I wholly believe that theory, but that is what one could conceivably draw from what you're saying if one is willing to take your logic, apply it to you and take it to that extent. I believe you to be capable enough to do such a thing.

Of course, if we're not going to lynch Cal then who? Well, Mish posted something while I've been working on this that I think would be useful to take a look at.

What I'm getting based off this and what else has been said today is that the choice is really between Tale and Cat~ today. They appear to be the two people that are being looked at right now and focused on the most. @Mish can you give us a more fulfilling explanation as to why you believe that Cat is Mafia? What, in your opinion, is it about Cat that makes you believe so?

Those two posts seem to indicate town to me and to be honest, there's not much to go off today. Neither Tale nor Cat have said much at all. This could speak for their guilt in either case, but based off past evidence Cat doesn't seem to be too bad to me. Those are pro town ideas. Of course, there was a guarantee that a death would happen. There was the misstep with the cop identity speculation but I'm not convinced that was made out of malice. Hanlon's Razor states thus: Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by carelessness. Of course in this game, we should expect a certain degree of malice to appear somewhere but in this particular instance I am willing to put it down to a lapse in judgement made by the desire to make that point about Cal who is very much in question at the moment and to be perfectly honest, I think it needed to be said. Cal is a divisive figure at the moment and right now it is impossible to tell who she actually is and with that suggestion, it gives rise to some interesting possibilities later on. It allows us to divert attention from her on to different people, at least for now. And I don't think that is another Mafia member covering for another by suggest that they might be the cop before people start putting their tinfoil hats on.

Now for Tale.

Judge takes issue with the fact that a vote was not retracted immediately but I think that Tale's defence is actually fairly reasonable. They had just subbed in and hadn't come to their own judgement on what Blaine/Cat was. If anything, I think that was the most sensible thing for him to do. And also, when the vote was retracted there wasn't much justification until he was pressed. This is similar to Mish, who did much the same thing but was also able to reasonably justify it.

Here are a couple of things from day one that we can see Tale say. The first point does seem rather passive, but when that attitude was critcised they picked Krowley who at the time was rather quiet. Now, if we go back to that conspiracy theory I talked about in Cal's part of this post then one could say that because Tale failed to get the kill on Krowley from there he killed him later. Such a thing would require a leap of logic, but the link is there if you want to press that.

This hasn't been followed up yet and to be honest, the trail cuts off here. Just on the basis that the case on both is weak, but the case on Cat~ is weaker I'm willing to put my vote down on Tale. However, let's make sure to ask questions.

##Vote: . : Tale : .

@. : tale : . these are for you:
What do you make of your accuser, Judge Sunrose? And I suppose, of me? And why?
What do you make of Cat~ right now, and why do you think that way?
Would you be willing to put a vote down on someone and justify it?

@Cat~ these are for you:
What do you make of Mish, who currently suspects you the most? Why do you think that is?
What do you make of Tale, the other person being examined pretty hard at the moment? Why do you hold that opinion?
Would you be willing to put a vote down on someone and justify it?

What I want to see from this is your own judgements. Feel free to quote a post that makes a point that you agree with, but please don't simply say "I agree" to something you quoted. I want to see properly substantiated answers that come from as much your own opinions as others.

And @Marushi when you have something to add to it what do you make of Tale and Cat? As Mish asked, would you be willing to put a vote down on someone else? If so, why is that?

And everyone, try to get the day extended. The silence from Cat~ and Tale might be explained by the celebrations today. If that is in fact the case then we need another day to make sure that we get this as covered as possible.

Time is limited, so let's get some answers out quickly people.[DOUBLEPOST=1467649099][/DOUBLEPOST]As a side note, that took me at least an hour o_0

Okay, fair enough. In that case I retract that point but my overall opinion stands.

Ooooohhhh boy. Yesterday was not a good day to be AFK. I won't respond to every post in complete perfect detail simply because of quantity, but I'll be going over the important bits from each that I can see.

Okay so, I don't think that at the moment it was entirely necessary to mount such a sterling defence of me, though I do appreciate the thought. I, as others have, disagree with the assertion that the mafia are new. Killing Krowley was actually a good move. If we consider that he has a relatively high skill level, then stopping him before he starts is actually a very, very good idea. It looks like Midnight, you and I are somewhat cast under a shadow due to our respective proactivity. For what it's worth, I don't disagree with your conjecture towards my behaviour but I think that it is little more than that - Conjecture. It's justifiable either way.

Hello Sam, nice to meet you :p

Humour aside, accusations are not in that of themselves, bad things. As I'll say again later with Judge Sunrose's poss, pursuing a variety of leads is always good. And you're absolutely right to distrust impressions other people have of others. While they can be valuable, you have to accept that those opinions and thoughts are formed based on what they see in someone and what they appear to be at the time. There is room for Cal to be Mafia still.

Ultimately, I have to wonder why Cal tried to cover me when she's aware that I can quite capably defend myself. She could have been defending me in my absence, or trying to cement her own position. Right now, it is unclear.

Agreed in the first instance. As you've already said, you're going to try to avoid that happening again. Day One is less important than other days and those four hours would not have made much more of a difference. Now however, time is essential and we need all of it. Do not hammer people!

Agreed in the case of KH530. I put that down to genuine error as well. If it turns out not to be, I applaud you.

1) Contested with earlier reasoning. Right now, it would be easier to take down Krowley while he wasn't able to fully substantiate his argument.
2) I'd say I agree with this line of reasoning.

True that. Expressing suspicion is useful, as a vote is more likely to lead to a train forming and it draws a lot more attention to you. On the other hand, voting is a sign that you want to draw attention to a person directly and lay the pressure on hard.

So, on Midnight. She's pretty tricky for me to read at the moment. I'm not quite sure what to make of her, other than I don't think that she's Mafia at the moment. And I think you have honest concerns.

I also think that you're missing Mish. You've discounted her far too quickly in favour of Midnight. I don't trust Mish in the slightest, and I believe that I said as such near the end of Day One and if I didn't I certainly intended to. Her initial post voting up KH530 doesn't seem consistent with what else she has contributed thus far. For someone who seems... Capable it's awfully weak.

it's you! Hai!

An interesting point to be sure. Let's see how this develops.

Agreed fully. We have a very limited time in which to discuss so we need to have multiple discussions to cover ground.

True.

Agreed.

Yes, I can see your reasoning there and I don't think that you're wrong. And Blaine's behaviour in the thread was probably down to his attitude.


Now that I've responded to what I think are the key points made so far, I now want to address the issue of Mish who has been a little inconsistent.

Compare this to the other posts available.

Where was this justification in the first post? Surely it would have been better to just do that.

Why would you encourage people to stop posting? If anything, maximum discussion is recommended. As far as I'm concerned it's only over when Mak/Nova calls it. In a game like this where you need the maximum amount of time to discuss, putting the discussion to a halt is a bad idea for Town. What if something comes up last minute that could change things? Stopping that hammer could have been invaluable.

And then you have something like this. This is actually a fairly reasonable post which takes someone to task and raises a good point. But really, I am just baffled by the inconsistency in behaviour that I've noted here in a couple of instances. I don't know if it's much to go on, but at this point I think that it's worth exploring because much to my disappointment we don't have too much more to go on. Nothing has been particularly confirmed nor denied here so far. On that basis; ##Vote: Mish.

So, I'm now caught up. Let's take a look at some stuff. As a side note, welcome to Cat~ and Judge stepping in.

I agree with what you're saying and it mirrors exactly what I've said before - We don't want to leave this to a random lynch.

@Makaze and everyone else, but especially Mak I will not be able to post on Saturday because I am out doing a re-enactment event at Chalke Valley History Festival. I will be back and able to post on Sunday night. Just letting you know so you don't sub me out while I'm gone as I'll only be out of action temporarily and normal activity will resume.

Agreed. I can't say much more on G-dog because you put it nicely here.

And again, agreeing with you. If Krowley cannot keep up with the posting requirement then there's no point going for the lynch. He'll be replaced with someone else, and when that happens we'll have to form our own conclusions on the replacement. For this reason, I'm less willing to lynch Krowley in the event that he fails to keep up with the posting total and due to a total loss for leads (Apart from Mish, who I'm feeling a little cagey about at the moment. I want to see what Day 2 brings in regard to her)...

##Vote: G-dog

G-dog seems to be quite an ambiguous figure at the moment and I can't come to a strong conclusion as to what alignment he might be. The lack of analysis may be down to playstyle but that isn't overall too beneficial to the Town. Given that our present choices seem to be Krowley or G-dog, this is the side of the fence I fall on.

##Unvote: ~Cat

Don't have time to go in depth, just leaving the house for training but doing this pre-emptively. Will post when back.

Don't have a hat to draw names out of I'm afraid. Anyone who has been quiet is absolutely worth watching. However, I didn't see the post where he mentioned IRL stuff when I made that post. Now I strongly suggest that you refrain from profanity because it's absolutely not necessary, KHV censorship being active or not.

Good points, good points.

No words. Just none.

I don't know whether he's Mafia or not, but he's certainly the least helpful person here. Even if he isn't Mafia, he will not make this game run any more smoothly judging by present behaviour. It's useful to get rid of unhelpful people. That's why the quiet ones get voted off anyway. Burnitup, you're on my watch list but first... ##Vote: Blaine.

Helpful.

Agreed wholeheartedly. This isn't helping, and it's making a worse case for yourself at the end of the day. One might almost think that this was part of some weird plan. Almost. But it doesn't make sense to do that. Even still, what you're doing is only sowing dissent among the town which is good for the Mafia, even if you are Town anyway.

I don't remember anyone addressing this point, so I will address it. By that same extension, myself, Midnight and Mish are Mafia because we agreed on the lynch target and so far haven't really disagreed with each other. I'm kind of agreeing with what Cal has been said about you, so me and her are Mafia now as well? It would be entirely illogical to assume that just because there is agreement, there is a Mafia connection. Two people may just follow each others logic.

And as for the tactics of hanging back issues and then re-entering later, it's going to look off to be honest. It's been said before, but I think generally Mafia are best off being in the middle area. Not too active, but not inactive so they don't get voted off for silence.

I'd actually disagree with 2/3 choices there. Ghost hasn't posted too much, but I'll forgive that and the same with G-Dog. Burnitup does need to go because they're not doing anything. I'm more concerned about Blaine and Mish. I was talking about occupying the mid-ground and Mish does sit there. She's in a strange spot where she was the first to pick up the lynch but other than that hasn't done anything really suspicious. Blaine's present behaviour is putting me on edge and it'd take either a confirmed inno or a change in behaviour to convince me otherwise. He hasn't added much useful to the conversation either and has so far managed to attract more controversy than anything else. The only reason I'm not voting is because there are already two and more than that isn't necessary right now while there's still time to decide.

And I'm not too concerned about Krowley. It's early days yet and I'm sure that based on past experience he'll get into it. I'm willing to put the present activity down to the vagueness of day one in terms of available information.

No offence meant in any way by this @G-dog but I've tried to put what you said into clearer English so that people can more easily read it. Please correct me if I've understood what you said wrong anywhere. I wasn't quite sure on the last sentence but I did the very best that I could.

"First page you want to lynch somebody for the spotlight but the talk was about Disneyland/world and nobody talked about lynching.

Second page after the post Mish responds with a name but after that Calxiyn makes a post about the post and a responds that you are the mafia, and you were shocked about the post an analysing it. But what if you and your plan were seen through and to make you seem not suspicious you said "Think you might be overthinking it a little but this kind of analysis is good on the whole well done." After that, al215 said stuff but then Mish makes an interesting comment that KH53 had not posted anything and was first on the list but I didn't post anything so to conclude; Mish and Midnight are working in a pair and you back your comment twice but different (Cal did post only one thing in the conversation and it was the analysis).

Third Page; You did post that I need to post to not be suspicious (That was good on your part) but if I was Mafia I would leave it that way so I am out of the game because we don't talk so we are suspicious and that was your only post on the third page.
And the reason for Cal; Guts.

This took me like 30 mins and this may not be a lot of evidence but you are marking me as really, really suspicious."

I don't think Midnight is suspicious for those reasons necessarily. She did say that she wanted to get the game moving constructively rather than irrelevant chat, which generally is a good idea. And also, responding to an accusation and praising the mindset is not necessarily a tell of suspicion as far as I'm concerned, that's a natural response. I do agree that we need to keep an eye on Cal. I'm not sure where she stands right now.

I agree with Tale here, giving G-dog some time to get into the swing of things would be beneficial just to let him get to grips with things.

Also sorry Mish and KH530, I didn't realise you were girls so thank you for pointing that out Midnight.

Yes, some reasoning for that would be nice. I'm not too suspicious about Midnight at the moment, though Cal is a slight grey area. The response here will determine my vote.