Okay, guys, we're not talking about life AFTER the baby is born. We're talking about abortion. What you guys need to be debating is child support... A man has little to no role in terms of abortion, therefore he can't really be brought into the equation. He might have a say in it if he doesn't want the abortion and convinces the woman, but that's not often the case. As it stands, the woman is the one who decides to get the abortion and the one who actually gets it. Therefore, it's the woman's duty to decide on that and to carry the burden. Also, if some women just don't want to have a kid; don't have sex. It's that easy and that simple. Or if you're going to have sex, take the pill and use a condom.
Saddam didn't get a lethal injection... He was hung. I don't want to torture people, either, I just want their taint to be gone from the earth. The quicker we put criminals to death the less time they can hurt or torment or corrupt our world. That, to me, is more important than revenge, which is all torture is. And prison-life IS torture.
Because the guy isn't the one who wants the abortion in most cases. It's normally the girl being the one that doesn't want to have to go through with it. The guy is normally simply not there after they have sex. I know there are some cases, but I'm being very general. And to White, I understand where you're coming from. I wish we HAD a system to screen for certain cases, but as it stands we don't. Until we do, I don't think anyone should be getting abortions.
Fair enough. I assumed as much, but you know that some people just use their ethnicity to make arguments turn in their favor. ;P
That only proves a short-term effect on the brain, not a long-term. Also, did they take into account the different children's histories, their families, the way they feel, their beliefs? EVERYTHING can factor into that.... Not much of a study, especially with only 44 people...
I didn't base my beliefs on what COULD happen, but what HAS happened. A fetus has done nothing wrong and as such does not deserve to die (by the way, in my arguments on abortion I never said anything about it being morally right or wrong to kill a child, I said that the woman should have to deal with the consequences of having sex, so your argument against me is meaningless...), whereas a criminal on death row has already committed horrible acts. That's the difference, and a huge one at that. I put no stock in the future because it is unpredictable. The past, however, cannot be changed and is always the same. And by the way, I never said public executions, I'm actually against public executions for the most part. The Saddam thing disgusted me, though I still believe he deserved to die.
Relationships in general are simply crappy. Online relationships, for me, last longer than personal ones. Perhaps because, when you're online, you can be yourself plus you can't judge as quickly.
Just because you're mexican doesn't mean anything... Unless you hopped the border, or you/your parents came over here legally. Then I understand. Cin, I think they were directing their hate posts at me. I went into detail why buying Mexico would be a good thing. Lol... Also, why the hell are we agreeing so much? I think I need to change my point of view. But, yeah, I'm gonna go ahead and stop while I'm ahead with this whole topic. xD I think I might get someone offended...
Off-topic; doesn't Alice live in like... Michigan? On-topic; I'm male(as is stated in my profile..) but that doesn't mean I am not able to understand the situations girls can be put in. But quite frankly, if a woman gets pregnant then it's most often going to be her own fault and should then deal with it, regardless of the life the baby would live. That baby could grow up to make a name for him/herself and be quite prosperous, for all you know. I never once said that this world was friendly and I never said that all children would be born into good families; you're the one making huge assumptions. I don't care if the baby is born into a bad life, it's better than not being born. But the only way we can tell is by asking someone born into a bad life if they would rather have just not been born. I've done this to a few people and they all said they still like being alive. It isn't wrong to bring life into the world, even if that life is a bad one. It's still a life. And this isn't an egotistic debate... it's a mass expression of extreme points of view. O.o
To say that a criminal who is caught and in prison is no longer a danger means you're fairly naive. There are hundreds of prison murders each year in which criminals kill other criminals. So to say that just leaving them in prison is "moral" is also a contradiction. Our government doesn't pride itself in mixing religion with government, in fact it is a rule of the government to keep religion and state apart. If you want proof, ask the judge who was forced to remove a statue of the 10 commandments from infront of his court. Since not everyone is religious, the debate on the death penalty cannot be a religious one. It CAN be a moral one, but religion should be kept out of it; especially concerning the United States. The death penalty is practical in keeping criminals in check and keeping everyone safe. If we do not kill dangerous people there is a chance they could hurt someone. To say that a murderer doesn't deserve to be put to death is like saying killing someone in self defense is wrong as well and the defender should also be punished. If you think killing criminals is wrong then you must think all killing is wrong; defense or not.
I imagine it can be debated any way a person feels debating it. Original poster didn't specify the nature of the debate.
Forgive me if I don't really believe that. The United States has a lower death rate than at least half of those top 30 countries, plus a higher life expectancy. And thank you, BlessedOne, I completely agree. =P
He probly could make Halo. It's not like it was a very unique and out-of-the-box concept of a game.
We can sacrifice a few tax dollars and still live. You're all just angry because it means you have to live a little less comfortably. I, for one, can live with the idea of putting up a bit more of my income if it means more people get to live a tad bit better lives. Honestly, though, we -should- just buy Mexico. We'd be able to provide them with better resources and they'd be able to provide us with more services and workers. We could then expand down there, so we wouldn't be clogging up our own country.
I -was- reffering to your post. You gave a quote saying, basically, " since you all talk about how good slavery is, you should try being a slave " which, to me, means you're telling me to try the death penalty. I do think the death penalty is good. Murderers and rapists deserve to die. Period. To tell me I'm sick because of that offends me DEEPLY. I can say a person who is for abortion is sick and twisted because they're killing babies, but I don't. So don't try and tell me I'm as bad as a slave owner or a criminal.
Yes, they could. You asked for -another- explanation, I complied. Didn't say it was the right or only one.
I don't plan on ever killing a man, why would I have to worry about the death penalty? None of us have to worry about whether we have a death penalty or not, only the fellas who are breaking the laws of both man and humanity as a whole.
Problem is, as I've said, it takes a long while for them to actually prove the person was raped. Also, they then have to decide if the rape was really a rape or not. If the girl was hitting on some guy, grinding on him and such, then she gets drunk and he takes advantage of her, then she tempted him into thinking she was willing to have sex with him, therefore it isn't rape. There are too many factors that go into proving rape and by the time it's all done, the baby's matured.
Here's your explanation; imagination. Plain and simple.
I have thought about that, and it sort of does make sense. Perhaps we go through as many reincarnations as we need to until we became pure of heart or "ready" to pass over to the next life. Perhaps, if we do bad in this life, we are reborn again and given a second chance to correct our mistakes, and thus repeating the process until our mistakes are fixed.
