basically the exact same thing i said ><
Doesn't it turn out that the Dusk/Nobodies had corrupted her/him/it? Because the Vivi in Roxas' part of the story is just data and i think it was made clear that the Nobodies could corrupt the data (those 'mysteries' of TT thing were simillar)
Alright, i'll just go ahead and say this at the beginning. I JUST thought this up, someone has probably thought it up before me or atleast something similar. I have hardly no evidence (how can one have a lot seeing as how this is about an unreleased game?) And this may even seem crackpot, but i think no matter what, i find my theory a hell of a lot better than the 'Ven is the older brother of Sora' theories. So yes, i will be talking about Ven and the (dreaded) Roxas. and aswell as Sora, Xehanort, Xemnas and Naminé, consider that a bonus! Alright, so i shall go ahead and say this, we only know of 3 Nobodies that we have seen their original selves (Xehanort, Naminé and Roxas) and this is what i'm basing my theory on. First off, read this lovely passage from an Ansem Report. Notice the bold will you. Now lets look at some examples! I do prefer pictures over talk. Alright, the picture of Xehanort's colour was off a tad so i added a (crappy) picture above. Anyways, lets point out the similarities shall we? -Same hair colour. -Same Hair style (though Xemnas' is longer and such (age can do that to yeah! :P) -Same eye colour -Same skin tone. -Same eyebrows (lol) By DiZ's definition i would say that there are only faint visible changes between Xehanort and his Nobody, wouldn't you? Now lets take a look at Sora and Roxas. Wow, not as many similarities between these two eh? -They don't have the same hair colour (Sora has brown, Roxas 'blonde') -They don't have the same hair style (Sora's downward spiky messball, Roxas swishy upwards/defying gravity thing) -They don't have the same eyebrows (Roxas' are slightly thicker...) -They don't have similar noses (Sora's is a bit more roundish while Roxas' is more thinned) -They do however have the same eyes. Alright, now here is where my theory really kicks in (I apologize as my theory is kind of all over the place, i might edit later to make it more clear.) We know from Xehanort/Xemnas that the Nobodies are SUPPOSED to retain a lot of the same characteristics, but Sora and Roxas DO NOT. So here it is, my semi-crackpot theory. A lot of people are talking about the Terra/MX combining thing and i think a similar thing happens to Sora, hear me out. I think, some how (no idea really seeing as how we don't have the answers) Ven's SOUL (yes his soul) gets fused with Sora at one point (most likely at the end of BbS) and this would explain why Roxas looks so much like Ven and not Sora. We know that when the Body and Soul cast off it forms a Nobody. So I'm thinking that Sora had Ven's soul inside of him and that is what Roxas was created from, which is why Roxas looks practically identical to Ven. Okay this probably doesn't flow right because im not organized, but also consider this: We know that Nami is made from Sora's B+S so if Ven's soul was also in there that might explain why Naminé also shares SOME of Ven's characteristics. (Nami, Roxas and Ven all have similar noses, blue eyes and blonde hair.) So, in short, Sora has Ven's soul inside of him. Roxas is made from this soul and Sora's body. Nami is made from this soul and Sora's body. Sora likes to have many people inside of him XD! (P.S. I'm REALLY sorry if this was hard to follow, i don't normally write theories so this was all over the place, if you have any suggestions i'd be glad to fix it up. Also you can bash this all you want but i probably wont care very much because making theories is all about risks right?) Thanks for reading though! ^.^
I personally think Final Fantasy characters should be taken out. Not Disney.
I think any 'related to Sora' ideas would be taking the easy, cliché way out of describing Ven's connection with Roxas. Besides, why would SORA's Nobody look like his alleged 'brother'? Does Xemnas look like Xehanort's long lost brother? Can we assume that Naminé looks like Kairi non-existant long-lost sister who is buried beneath the rubble of Hallow Bastion frozen like a popsicle stick? I doubt it.
I love the Heartless/Nobody ideology! I find it so fascinating. But basically it works like this: Every person (and we can assume world/animal too) is made up of three parts: A Heart, A Body and A Soul. When someone either loses their heart to darkness, or casts off their heart willingly, their body gets split into two separate entities. The heart gets consumed with darkness and becomes a Heartless. While the body and soul become a Nobody. If a person with a strong heart loses/casts off their heart, the Nobody created is of human form. (ie. Sora->Roxas. Xehanort->Xemnas) Naminé is an extremely special kind of Nobody, in that the way she was created is like no other. She was created when Sora unlocked his and Kairi's heart with the Heart Unlocker in Hallow Bastion. She is different from most Nobodies. She was made from Sora's body and soul yet is still technically Kairi's Nobody. This connection with Sora is why she has the ability to alter the memories of Sora and those connected with him. DiZ refers to her as the most fleetest of shadows. Anyways, i hope that answered your question, i kind of didn't finish explaining it all but that is the jist. :D EDIT: Oh and only members of the Organization have their name rearranged with an added x. How Naminé got her name is unknown.
Riku, and DiZ, and kind of Mickey. Never Roxas. Oh I also liek Naminé, but more in her depressed emo state than in her KH2/Roxas state. I did not like that. You play her too happy Brittany Snow! I also <3 all of the original characters (except for the forementioned Roxas) love the Org!
I think its pretty easy to follow. Though parts are purposely left out for fan speculation and such. As for Roxas' FULL background info, we wont REALLY know that until 358/2 Days comes out. But basically, he was created when Sora stabbed himself in KH1. He was found by Xemnas, in Twlilight Town, shortly after he was born. He became part of the Organization. He battles Riku once and wins. He then leaves the Organization because he wanted to find out more about Sora and why the keyblade chose him (Roxas). He battles Riku again. Riku wins. DiZ and Riku take Roxas back to Twilight Town, where DiZ turns Roxas into data and places him into a fake TT that is on DiZ's computer/Sora's mind. and then the stuff you do when you play Roxas. Tadah! (man do i hate that character >.>) But yeah. I do love this game's storyline though, so interesting!
I always thought of it as Roxas. That Sora some how absent mindedly added him in without even knowing he existed. (simillar to when Sora shed a tear when saying goodbye to Hayner and them.) I rmemeber finding that scene a bit weird too but i always thought he was talking about Roxas. I don't however, think he was talking about Jiminy because that thing doesnt do anything. He was listing people that could actually help the battle, XD
Sora. I wish Roxas was never even made into this game. I hate him with a passion. Riku needs his own game....
Well, I just rewatched that scene (is it weird that i love watching cutscenes?) And, Demyx did not try to befriend Sora, if anything he tried to avoid confrontation and cowered. He did not 'explain that he didn't want to fight' he merely turned his back from Sora and muttered "I told them they picked the wrong guy." If Demyx really wanted to run, nothing was stopping him. It wasn't like Sora had the magical ability to stop the Dark Corridors from working, Demyx used them to get there and he could have used them to leave. And further more, Sora didn't keep 'belittling and threatening' him. They merely pointed out that since he was a Nobody that meant he had no heart, in which Demyx said 'We do too have hearts, don't be mad' and then Donald said 'You can't Fool us!" Then Demyx fully turns around and says 'Silence Traitor" and initiated the fight (Above mostly posted for those who want a refresher of the scene without having to look for it) Another thing that should be considered is that Sora and Co were under pressure. A heartless war was breaking out and they were running to go and help their friends when Demyx showed up. Sure they acted harsh in the beginning, but, like i said, they were under pressure and stress of the situation. They wanted to deal with the Demyx and go and help their friends. I also agree with what Repliku was saying, it is foolish to think that the attacks they made during the 2nd half of the game wasn't planned. It wasn't like 'oh kay, now you guys just go run and spread havoc, have fun'. It is clear that the Organization had made plans before hand. Their plans to become whole beings has been proven to be in effect for longer than we are led to believe. Now i can't comment on the CoM aspect of things specifically (as it has been a while since i played the game and/or watched the Re:CoM cutscenes) but from the sounds of it, there were hints there too that this plan had been in the long run.
....I just played this part yesterday and i don't remember it at all ;_; Hold on.... I'm going to go watch this part again.... ... ... Okay back :3 Hmm Well okay... You know, i don't know what that was or if it can even be considered a person. Just looked like some black object, maybe like the Twilight Thorn's ribbons or something. Beats me :D
It sounds to me, that this plan wasnt very concrete, because i think the only way to become truly whole is to have your own heart. It also kind of sounds liek Xemnas told everyone that was what their plan was, but he really had another plan (using KH for ultimate power). So maybe Xemnas never planned on really being whole and he was just telling the others that was what would happen when in reality it was just a ruse? I don't know.
Alright, I was talking about this with a friend and i hit a bit of a snag in understanding the Org's Plan. Alright. Alright. Sorry i needed to think. Anyways, we know that the Organizationw as creating another KH to become full beings, but here is the thing, how would they actually use this KH to become whole? Wouldnt their heart have to be one of the hearts freed from the Heartless that was used in making the KH? Or would they jsut absorb a bunch of hearts and become whole that way? You know what i mean? Like, wouldnt they have to have their ORIGINAL heart to become truly whole? And wouldn't that only be possible if their heart was one of the ones freed from the Heartless Sora killed? Anyone agreeing with me? Or do i just have the completely wrong idea about how that process would work?
Yen Sid was the one that said that Nobodies dont have feelings (well aswell as DiZ) I honestly hope we find more about this in 358/2 Days (i can only see it happening in this one) Because it is EXTREMELY unclear. I always thought they could feel emotion because they had a connection with their heart no matter what. Roxas and Nami showed MORE emotion than the others because theyre heart was alive and well, while the others showed some emotions but their connection was tethered a bit (the heart being a heartless) this is also why i think Xemnas shows the LEAST emotion and CAN'T remember what the other meotions felt like because not only was his heart a heartless but it was in RIKU'S body making it harder to connect with. But i personally dont know, thats just my theory on it.
I have always pronounced it Dee-mix. It just made sense to me, but i was also a little annoyed that not ONCE in the ENTIRE game do they say his name (makes you wonder how Jiminy even knew he had a name)
Wouldn't Castle Oblivion be considered here? They were using Naminé to try and control Sora (most likely for the KH Plan) Ugh, its difficult to say. But Sora felt threatened by the Org and so did a lot of people (Yen Sid being the first to tell Sora they're a bad group) and whenever they got attacked by Nobodies they figured it was the Org's doing (seeing as how they knew the Org had control over the Nobodies). And you know, why was Demyx the turning point? They didnt seem to care a lot about him. And other ORg Members were kileld by Sora before Demyx so why should his death be any different? Was it maybe just a WAKE UP call that who they are dealing with is actually capable of doing this? Or were they just enraged because 'Roxas' really had turned on them? This is one hard argument with no sure fire winner.... ech.
It has been said to have a Summer '08 release for Japan and unless they plan to release them at the same time... Well. KH2 took 3 months after the japan version to localize and release and since 358/2 Days isnt nearly as big as KH2 is that would mean the release date would be a maximum of 3 months after the Japan release (unless they hit a snag or something) so im thinking Novemeber 08 as the release with December 08 being the latest. But who knows?
Yeah, i remember reading that a long time ago, in one of the first few interviews. This newer one just confirmed it....again. It makes sense for the game to end there though, because we know what happens then. But i wonder if the first Riku/Roxas battle is the finale battle, or the 2nd one is and somehow...you lose in the final battle? Hmmm. I wonder fi the 14th member is the final boss and then afater that you run into Riku, ah well silly stuff. A bit confusing.
You know the same person voices Riku for both games... right? And Ven WILL have Jessie McCartney as his VA because the same thing is happening in Japan. And he will probably NOT play it deeper, or anything because Nomura wants to make it very clear that there is a special connection with Ven and Roxas which is why they look exactly the same, and will sound the same and will probably having me hating them the same :D