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I always kind of disliked Markiplier for a lot of complex reasons that I refuse to go into right now, but it's good to know he's okay. Anyone who brings joy to millions, even though I am not one of those millions, deserves at least that much goodwill.

Also, the word "surgery" is used very liberally to describe a lot of medical procedures that most people don't even think of as surgery. Years and years ago I learned from experience that having a minor in-grown toenail removed counts as surgery. It's almost ridiculous.

No man, it's the tea! They put tiny doses of heroin in all our teabags so we'll get addicted! Misty drinks it too, so not even the Admin can save us!

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Yeah, and we haven't even started eating the castle walls yet.

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Just on Fridays and weekends. I work 10 hours a day, so I usually have Friday off and that leaves me bored if I haven't got anything specific planned.

and by coffee i really mean a hot milkshake!! LOL im sooo randum

But the date of the Vernal Equinox (the official first day of spring) is subject to change. In 1903 it was on the 21st of March, on the 23rd in 1983, and although it's been pretty consistent on the 20th for the past several years, it'll be the 19th sometime in the 2090s. So really neither is constant enough for one to take priority over the other.

To be honest, I was hoping to see how long it would take for Amaury to argue that it's based on the length of daytime rather than the weather or the date. The Vernal Equinox is what marks the beginning of the time of year when daytime takes up more than half of the day, making Spring the period of time when the length of daytime is both longer than nighttime and continues to get longer until the Summer Solstice, after which the length of daytime remains longer than nighttime but begins to decrease in length.

Really, I just wanted to see how long he'd take to figure out that the solution lay in the definition of spring, not the importance of dates over weather.

[TW: Bit of a rant;disagreeing with common opinions;normalizing non-binary gender]

I thought they were meant to imply ambiguous or unknown gender, not genderlessness, the neuter gender, or gender fluidity (which actually has more to do with gender roles than gender identity anyway), but even then I don't particularly like them for that, mainly because saying "hir" out loud just sounds like "her," which only confuses the matter further. Xe/xur pronouns work better, but those don't sound too great alongside the others. There's also the singular "they", which has been used to express ambiguous and unknown gender for over 250 years (and non-ternary gender more recently), but I have a personal aversion to that too. I don't even like "you" being used singularly, but tolerate it because I grew up using it that way and habits that old may as well be immortal.

Anyway, in my opinion, the pronoun of ambiguity should be something where the subject combines the existing pronouns for all three genders (yes, gender in English is ternary, making it non-binary by default). Personally, I use "shei" (she+he+it;pronounced "shay") for the subject, "hem" (her+him) for the object (and by extension, hemself for the reflexive), and "hes" (her+its) for the possessive. Not only do they sound way more natural than ze/hir and xe/xur, they're also singular by default and acknowledge that the antecedent could be any of the three genders rather than just assuming shei's "none of the above."

Well, it says the code has already been used. Looks like someone swiped it before I could get to it.

That's not an answer, that's a cop-out.

Why? Until you can explain why a couple of numbers on a chart matter more than actual real life observations, your argument isn't going to get through to me.

That's why consistency is the key. If it doesn't stay that way for the majority of the time until the weather becomes consistently summer-like.

That depends. Is snow in line with what is considered spring-like weather in that climate? Here's how the seasons are: Winter is the coldest, summer is the hottest. Spring is the transitional period from cold to hot, autumn is the transitional period from hot to cold. Why muddle it by saying it's not spring until the day of the Vernal Equinox even though that transitional period from cold to hot began weeks before? And besides, we already say it's spring in the Northern Hemisphere and autumn everywhere else. Why not let go on a region-by-region basis?

But why do we go by dates? That's the question I'm asking.

Well, we say that it's fall in the Southern Hemisphere and spring in the Northern Hemisphere based on the weather. Why not say that it was spring over there and winter over here? You also need to keep in mind that the spring-like weather needs to be consistent. If it's 70 one week and then -5 like usual the next, that's just a freak heat wave, not a seasonal change. If, on the other hand, it continues for over a month and shows no signs of getting cold again until the next fall, it's definitely okay to call it spring.

Which website is that? Gamestop?

I don't have a PS4 and it actually looks really nice with the Vita's smoothing and stuff. I also prefer the translation. They don't use that "ze" and "hir" nonsense in the Moogles' character descriptions, for instance.

I only have the PSP version, but I'm sure it'll apply to me too. Please?

Calender is also correct. One interesting quirk of the English language is that some words have multiple spellings just like how some words have multiple meanings.

Yes, but why is it based on a date? If it's January 10th and the weather has been consistently spring-like for the past several weeks and is predicted to stay that way for the foreseeable future, why bother with waiting for the arbitrarily chosen date to say that it is spring?

Well we've exhausted every other topic. What do you suggest we argue about?

How? The purpose of a calender is to have an easy way of tracking what date it is. So (a) why does having dates mean that we no longer need calenders and (b) why does having dates make it necessary to completely redefine what makes a season what it is?

That doesn't answer my question at all.

So why should that change just because we have calenders?

So before there was an official date for when spring starts (the same day as the Vernal Equinox, which changes from year to year), how did people know when it was spring? According to you, weather has absolutely nothing to do with seasons, so how were they defined in the times before calenders existed?


I know that. I was trying to point out that this thread erases the experiences of people who live in the Southern Hemisphere.

Oh, that's right. I should get back to that so I can stay current. Maybe I'll just start a new game once I get the PSP version onto my PS3.