Yeah that's what I'm saying, we need to be careful though as we can't operate under an assumption that person A: claims to be Vig, then Person B: claims to be Vig, because A said it first we can't assume that must mean B is lying. It might not happen, but im just preparing people for what i've seen happen before in some other games i've read over.
The only problem with that is the validity in what the person says, I get where you're coming from with it and yeah, it would seem that the Vig is known to at least 1 mafia member and as you said, probably the rest by the end of the day/night cycle. But as the town, we have no proof until the person's card is flipped on if they're saying the truth, one person could come out as the vigilante, and then another one claims they are lying and it's them, it would throw more confusion into the mix as the vig can't prove who they are like The Watcher can with evidence. As i've said, we need to decide on if we'll take the safe route and lynch Mish today, but we then don't have a target for the vigilante tonight unless they take an educated guess at someone.
No that's fine, you're a bit clearer now, I get what you mean, I see why you'd maybe consider me. Obviously only I know my role so I know that i'm town, but others have to form their own opinion on me until my player card is turned over at the end. At this point in the game though i'd say it's unwise to go with hunch's you have no solid proof about, we're running very low on our townies, hunches could cost us the game at this point, build a firm case on someone and present it.
@Cat~ I'm a little confused on what you mean about myself. I'm not sure why I would have an as you say "FAR easier time" identifying the vigilante if I was Mafia, and more specifically so Redirector, from what i've read of the role they're as plain as all other members, their opinion is part of the group, and as Nova said, apart from their power the mafia still takes part in the normal chats, so it doesn't really matter who the redirector is, the other mafia could weigh in on who they should redirect that night. The other part is because i'm vocal I have a unique insight into all of you guys' bickering? I don't understand that part at all so some clarity would be great. Other than myself in your post reading through what you've said and yeah all your points are pretty sound to myself, I agree with you that lost girl or whatever the hell she's called this fortnight's actions when Mish was outted are probably the most suspect. What? isn't looking too good recently either, his establishment early game, and sudden dip in activity coupled with the fact he did as you say, drop the hammer at literally the last possible moment, which saved us from a no vote that day and gave us information in the long run, it was still an alarming moment when he so coldly voted for Cal. I'd like to hear alot from Judge Sunrose, obviously he's replacing someone I was pressing quite hard during their time around here, and though that was a solo effort mostly, a fresh face to the role will certainly let us determine more clearly wether or not I was right to be suspect, or if my own efforts should be focused else where. Bed time, back to play tomorrow.
So I take it we've decided to leave Mish to the Vigilante tonight as this time they can't be stopped?
Now I get where you're coming from with this, but why have you decided to go for Moksha instantly? we have a few quiet ones, Cat, BtD, Twilightblader and more recently What? have been quite quiet, i'd say Moksha is as iffy as any of them right now[DOUBLEPOST=1410886942][/DOUBLEPOST]To add, if you have a legitimate reason for any of the members I just mentioned as to where you see their alignment please share, it'd be great to start collecting opinions on members as a group, and see if there's a consensus on who to vote off the island.
Guys we need to remember, there's a 20% chance that Mish is the redirector, we may have made a very foolish mistake letting her live yesterday.
Well, from reading the role of the redirector, The vigilante can kill Mish uninterrupted tonight, so she is a guarantee'd mafia death tonight, so our efforts for today could be better spent lynching another mafia, same destination different route essentially. it would seem that what's obviously happened is the Mafia have sniffed out the vigilante, so one of our goals today is not lynching that person. Why are you suspicious of twilight blader exactly?[DOUBLEPOST=1410822905][/DOUBLEPOST]I've got work in the morning so I'm heading to bed, I'll throw in my opinions and jazz once i'm back tomorrow.
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Spoiler That's a really cute term
Spoiler I have no idea what this means other than the literal so aye aye my captain o' captain [DOUBLEPOST=1410819967][/DOUBLEPOST] "Redirector - This is a Mafia-aligned role that, once per Night, may choose two living players. Any actions the first player performs that Night will be redirected towards the second player. Note that the Redirector may not target the same first person twice in a row." Cannot say about your other question, now shh before nova yells at corpses again.
Okay guys, reading what Nova said, there's 12 little tinker tailor soldier boys left, and we need everyone still kicking to take part today, with 7 to be a lynch vote, and 5 of those 12 people being Mafia, if we're not careful we very seriously run the risk of a monopoly in our fair town, infact correct me if I'm wrong, but if we don't lynch a mafia today, would that not mean that they will definitely win tomorrow? since the town numbers need to equal the mafia numbers. It's time we really need to sit down and think about a proper game plan, because the clock is ticking.
I know you're dead but this is my favourite goodbye post yet.
Well ****, ****, ****, **** this wasn't supposed to happen at all.
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I see the deadline approaches swiftly with a tie on a no lynch at the moment, better get hurrying, @Moksha , @Hayabusa aswell are yet to vote.
@Marushi My logic behind the quiet members is mostly due to the fact that we gain nothing from them not saying anything, and simply killing them off if they don't feel like playing is the easiest method to attain information if they're not willing to share it by being active. Princess has been by own personal mission, the way The Fuk? was for Makaze and im sure others have been for different members, that is all but wasted now, as he decided to opt out of the game for personal reasons, the situation will have to be reflected upon when his replacement is found, and their actions will need to be put under scrutiny. I took a guess so I must've let it slip he's not Mafia? I looked at his actions and personally believed it not to be that of a mafia member, but with someone of a different agenda, if you're beginning to do the whole thing of focusing on one little point and doing your own twisting til it makes sense as malicious in your eyes I feel you really must pick a better subject. I've never played this game before, so my obvious response to a Mafia member being outed is just simply to vote for them, at that time that's were logic was lay with me, as Makaze explained things more clearly to me throughout the day my attention shifted and I made a more rational decision to focus on other members, as he said we had decided to do. Again, with Maakze, I do not feel he is lying, at all in fact, I'm just putting it on the table that until dead, his role is only all but confirmed, we still have to operate under the impression players might use manipulation to sway the public opinion, he outed himself when he came under fire, it's an obvious response to think. As I said though, it's a ludicrous move to pull and not be the role he claimed to be, as it does only shorten his life span. I'm honestly a bit perplexed why you have suddenly felt so strongly about myself, when really i've only been trying to put forward my own thought process throughout the entire game, there is nothing heinous is my actions, but pragmatic through and through, it's why I focused on one member, because splitting focus leads to more confusion than it helps. So for now, I have to change my vote, as Princess is out of the game, I've read through the posts by yourself and others and the least suspicious to me is yourself, I do believe your an honest soul just trying to root out the evil in the town, you would be the last person I would vote for right now, except for Kaze since as we know, his role is all but confirmed. Unvote: Princess Vote: lost girl Because given the evidence shown throughout the day, her defence of Mish and her attack of Makaze and the question of his integrity, her actions to me seem like those of someone trying to save a fellow mafia member.[DOUBLEPOST=1410510451][/DOUBLEPOST]Oh and I have not "conveniently forgot" anything, please do not use such crude phrases when talking to me, I made it very clear that Makaze is pretty much all but confirmed for the town and his role, but we still would need to see his official player card for that to be confirmed. Like I said I don't think your a suspicious person, but you have a way of trying to dig in at peoples heels in a manner that's very antagonistic and unfriendly.
Excuse me kind sir, but you are jackin my threadz.
I'm on my phone so I can't really make in-depth posts right now, just so that it's clear I'm reading. Maru sorry if I wasn't clear, bit sleep drunk last night, what I meant with beau was that it would have benefited mafia if he was mod killed because he left, as mafia would know he was town anyway, so they would try to push a vote for someone else that day as it would mean if beau was mod killed and not replaced then by lynching someone else that day, they get rid of two spots. There was discussion of that happening that's why I mentioned it. As for default that really was just a lucky guess on his role,the only way I'd know who he was is if I was the tracker and I followed him on the first night, (correct me if that's wrong please, I can't really check the role on my phone with out losing my post) town or mafia there's no way I could know he was the reporter otherwise. It really was just a passing comment I made that turned out to be a good guess And do I mention btd, cat and hayabusa over and over like you claim? If I do I don't believe it's been with accusations attached, just mentioning the fact they are here really, and when I'm prompted to discuss them, like I said, on my phone. But you really Must give some evidence please whilst saying things line that otherwise it looks like wild accusations to me.[DOUBLEPOST=1410464872][/DOUBLEPOST]And whilst tensions are high I'd rather not have the wrong idea formed about me for false reasons
Really only why does he lack conviction to stick with a vote and is so easy to change sides when it looks like it'll get the day a quick lynch. His reasoning is flimsy at best. If we're doing the whole not killing Mish today and leaving her to the vigilante's hands tonight then I will remove my vote for her and place it where I truly believe it belongs if we are to root out another mafia. Unvote: Mish Vote: Princess ♥[DOUBLEPOST=1410397164][/DOUBLEPOST]The same way you felt vindicated about the fuk? I feel strongly too about Princess.[DOUBLEPOST=1410397195][/DOUBLEPOST]I'm off for the night, will catch up tomorrow.
