Always Dance

You misunderstood me. I asked you what the other methods of making Decks fast besides draw power are.

May I ask what these other things are? Just so you know, I DO have plans to start playing in real life.

Yeah, This Deck is quite slow I'll admit but it does usually get the job done in the games. It can get out Synchros pretty easily and it's pretty good at recovering from hard hits.

I seriously have no idea how to build a fast Deck that can always win within the first five turns with Pot of Greed and Graceful Charity being Banned and every other draw card being Limited. The more you talk this nonsense about properly built competitive decks being able to always win on turn 3-5 the more I want to see proof of it for myself. I mean, How can that be possible with the said draw cards being Banned and every other one being Limited?

Yeah, Plant Synchro looks good. I think I may try it.

I only use this Deck in the videogames. I'm not playing by the current banlist. But I am trying to mod it for the WC2011's Banlist.

If you have any suggestions on what to put in and take out I would appreciate it.


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...What?

Monsters - 19

Cyber Dragon
Breaker the Magical Warrior
Blackwing Gale The Whirlwind
X-Saber Airbellum X3
D.D. Warrior Lady
Snipe Hunter
Sangan
Reese The Ice Mistress X2
Card Trooper
Prime Material Dragon X2 (was Jinzo)
Plaguespreader Zombie
Krebons X2
Dandylion
Spirit Reaper

Spells - 14

Book of Moon X2
Brain Control
Mind Control
Enemy Controller
Heavy Storm
Lightning Vortex
Mystical Space Typhoon
Monster Reborn (was Call of The Haunted)
Scapegoat
Shrink
Smashing Ground
Swords of Revealing Light
United We Stand

Traps - 7

Bottomless Trap Hole X2
Solemn Judgment
Starlight Road X2
Mirror Force
Torrential Tribute

Extra Deck - 15

Ally of Justice Catastor
Black Rose Dragon
Black-Winged Dragon (was Colossal Fighter I think)
Blackwing Armor Master
Brionac, Dragon of the Ice Barrier
Flamvell Urquizas
Red Dragon Archfiend
Goyo Guardian
Magical Android
Mist Wurm (I took out something else for this)
Thought Ruler Archfiend
Stardust Dragon X2
Trishula, Dragon of the Ice Barrier
X-Saber Urbellum

I found this Deck on GameFAQS a long time ago. It was made by a veteran on there but you and me both worked together to mod it. I think it's quite good. I've been owning almost every AI opponent I face with it. What do you think?

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That synchro deck wasn't anywhere near competitive.
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Funny, That's not what you said to me before. You told me that it looked really good and with a few tweaks it could probably run competitive.:sideways:

I'm having a hard time believing that all Duels in the real game only last 3-5 turns. Alot of my and your Duels in the videogames last more than 10 turns. There's no way you're ALWAYS gonna draw Limited Cards or Summon Synchros that quickly. That right there proves that you and these people just have insanely good luck.

Remember that really good Synchro Deck I showed you awhile back? Sure I was winning with it alot and owning almost all the AI opponents but my luck was never ever THAT good with it. I would still seldom ever Draw things like Heavy Storm or Monster Reborn with it.

And now things brings me to a question that I've been meaning to ask you:

What in your opinion is an example of losing because of a fluke?

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As someone who has played in both the video games and real life, the difference there is so big you can't ignore it. You would need to play both to understand.
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Well I know that tournaments are very different but just playing in real life alone against other people couldn't be.

Oh and I have a few rulings that I need you to give me:

1. Can Appropriate be chained in response to Tuningware's effect?
2. Will Tuningware's effect still activate if The Synchro Summon is negated by Solemn Judgement?
3. If I use Super Polymerization to steal Great Shogun Shien will I be able to activate more Spell/Traps that turn then?

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Knowing this, please stop making ridiculous statements and then trying to fight me when I shoot them down.
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The reason why I do this is because I've spoken with other players who disagree with you on these matters. That's why I'm doing this. Otherwise I wouldn't be.

Also, The reason for my "inept comments" is because I have questions about certain cards that I want answers for.

And another thing, Why do you talk about the videogames like they're something completely different than real life? They both have the random card draw and they both play by the same rules. The only difference is stupid AI. You make it sound like all the training I've done in the videogames won't help me at all in real life.


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...It wasn't. Every competitive deck would crush it, and almost every other semi-competitive deck crushed it. Even I crushed it.
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First of all, How exactly do you KNOW it was the best build Heroes had? 2nd, What do you mean "even you"? You know, you really don't give yourself enough credit. You're one of the best Duelists I know. The fact that you find every single AI opponent in the videogames piss easy and that you were able to beat such a powerful Deck really speaks well of you.

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This is probably the most inept thing you've said to me. Ever. :/
You really, really need to work on your understanding of this game. Because from what I'm reading here it really seems like you don't get it at all. And I'm trying to be as nice as I can here; if you said this to a competitive player, he would laugh in your face.
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Well yeah, I really can't say that I do understand this game. I mean all I've done is play the videogames and talk with other players that I meet online. That's where all my knowledge of the game comes from.


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No, you cannot see the recipe, because I didn't write it down or anything. I saw it in real life. It was basically based on a downgraded version of the D-Draw Engine and fusing as fast as humanly possible.
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Sounds awesome. I wish I could see it.

Well thanks for being polite. That makes our debates go alot more smoothly now doesn't it? I'm glad you now see that.

Call me crazy but I actually think that Fusions are easier to summon than DAD. Because with them you can just use Future Fusion or the graveyard based fusion cards like Miracle Fusion and Dragon's Mirror. You don't even need Polymerization. But with DAD you have to have EXACTLY 3 Dark Monsters in your graveyard to summon him. It can't be any more or less. He seems pretty difficult to summon to me because of that. Especially considering the fact that he's Limited. I've managed to summon him a few times when I was running Blackwings but not many. I've found my Fusions alot easier to summon than him.

Also, May I have a sample of one of these recipes that you've seen please?

Thank you.

But what I said about Super Polymerization still stands. It is a very powerful card and I think that it will at the very least get Limited. Elemental Heroes are a very powerful deck. It's true that they USE to suck. But they are now very broken. And you have to keep in mind that a Dark Omni-Fusion still has yet to be made. And once that happens Super Polymerization will have full targeting range. And you also have to keep in mind that not all of the Omni-Fusions have been released worldwide yet. So some Hero Users still have yet to try them. The only reason why you think Heroes are bad is because you have yet to see a good build with them in action. They're a tough Deck to properly build. And that's why you see people lose with them alot.

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Do you want to know why I said that? Because at that point I really didn't know that much about you as a duelist and you were so down on yourself it was bumming me out. The deck you built looked decently consistent as well. But this was before you started saying ridiculous things like that Super Poly could get hit. And now that you're leaving incredibly inept comments on my page all the time, I really can't say I have as good an opinion of you as I used to. I'm sorry, but that's just how it is on my side.
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I guess now you see why I think I'm such a horrible Duelist now huh? If you could just tell me that you saw ONE Duelist who you think I'm better than that alone would be enough to make me feel alot better.

Jesse, At one point you were impressed with me. You told me so yourself. When I made that Hero Deck a long time ago that I showed you you complimented me on it. And I thought that for once in my life I had finally done something right...Thanks for telling me that I'm just as big a failure at this as I am at everything else I do...

I am well aware that Breaker is a great card. I never said he wasn't. I'm just saying most monsters are more powerful than him.

Also, most of my knowledge comes from my own playing that I do in the videogames. And more than 90% of the time all I use are Elemental Heroes. So wouldn't that mean that I wouldn't have any kind of understanding of any other kind of Deck?

Now that I think about it Tsukuyomi is capable of alot. Because if you summon that thing whoever you're Dueling can say goodbye to their Dark Armed Dragon. Because she can just kill it after flipping it facedown.

Nomnomnom....KH on computer xD

I understand all that but what's so broken about Breaker? Sure he's a good card and he's splashable but he's not that threatening. He's no more threatening than an MST. And he never deserved to be Forbidden. He's a wimp compared to most monsters.

EDIT: And another thing, I don't see why every card involved in certain OTKs should be Banned when just banning the main power cards to them is enough. I don't see why Tsukuyomi should be on there anymore.

That is just too funny. XD Nevermind. Forget it. You win.

There's something else I want to talk to you about:

So yeah, I looked over the previous banlists out of boredom and I really don't understand at all why certain cards were Banned at certain points. Especially things like Breaker and Sangan. I came here to ask you why they were Banned. Konami needs to only ban truly broken and unfair cards. Did some whiners petition to have them banned or something?

Fine :D
Any news/random things happen?

Heya :)
Hows life for you?

do you guys know any yugioh tournaments in IL plz help