Always Dance

So then, What you're saying is sometimes a Blackwings Deck WILL lose to a Burn Deck if things don't work for it on the opening Draw?

I used a Blackwings Deck against Lazar. But I couldn't do anything against him. Goddamn these Burn Decks and their strong backfield defenses...>_> Fuсk...>_>

He went first and then set up his big fatass backfield defense.

Sure, I WOULD have used Delta Crow, MST Heavy Storm etc. But I did not manage to draw them...=P I could now Draw ANYTHING to help me in the situation. So once again, I was locked by Level Limit Area B, Nightmare Wheel, etc. Otherwise I would've won. Anyway, That just proves to you that I don't lose because I use a bad Deck. It has nothing to do with the fact that I use E-Heroes more than anything else. As I said before, I just have bad luck. The that's reason why I lose. Nothing more to it.

Damn this Random Card Draw to Hell...>_>

I used My Elemental Hero Deck against Lazar awhile back too. And I lost for the very same reason. I would've otherwise won then too.

Anyway, yeah, the reason why I'm telling you this is to prove to you that I don't use a bad Deck. My problem is just bad luck.

EDIT: Well then again...This Blackwings Deck didn't exactly seem like it was built right...

God I have SO gotta learn how to do that...>_>

Heya KJ, sup?

killjoy you there?

How can you tell just by looking?

killjoy..................

hows it going

So Uh, What's your opinion of The Deck I PMed you?

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The fact that he's restricted to E-hero decks makes him suck. He can only work in E-hero decks and his summoning conditions make it even more limiting.
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He's pretty easy to summon actually. (At least for me...) The AI seems to be pretty good at summoning him too with the Deck it has based around him. (At least from my experience.)


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Sorry, I read this wrong, I thought you said he was the best E-hero period, which is wrong(that would be Stratos), but I do agree with you that he's the best fusion.
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Lol yeah, XD Cause I thought that I couldn't POSSIBLY be wrong about that...


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E-heroes are not becoming any more powerful than they were, maybe slightly more, but not a threat. Super Polymerization is not going to get hit, it's barely even used.
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That's good to know. I myself intend to abuse the hell out of it.


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The fact that it works in a few other decks does not make it splashable by any means. It's not.
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I know. But it's pretty good in Water Decks though. I of course prefer to use him in a Standard Elemental Hero Deck.

You just made me laugh really hard for some reason...

Anyway, Are you fuсking kidding me??? You don't call a monster that can destroy the opponent's entire frontfield all at once powerful???

And how am I wrong?!?!?!?!?!?

*demands an explanation for each one of those things that you just said that I was wrong on*

If you had another Absolute Zero on the field after using the first to clear his field I see no excuse for losing. You should've been able to attack for game or at the very least inflict massive damage. You do know that you can just use Polymerization or Miracle Fusion to get rid of one of them and get out another Fusion while clearing his field at the same time right?

Absolute Zero is very powerful. And I'm thinking he will probably be Limited eventually. He is The Best Elemental Hero Fusion without question. I don't think you realize just how good Elemental Heroes are becoming...Super Polymerization is starting to become a Super Special Awesome Chocolate Fudge Coated Mega Super Weapon. It's probably gonna get hit soon too.

Konami realizes that they need extra help with the Fusion Deck being at 15 Cards now so that's the reason why things like the Omni Fusions are coming out right?

And you don't seem to have noticed but Absolute Zero CAN be splashed into other Decks BESIDES Elemental Heroes. If he's used in his own Water Based Deck he's hella good.

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In EVERY case, playing the real game is much harder than playing the VG. I've been over this with you. You can get away with using an awful deck in the VG, the whole game was designed so you could do so. That game is for people who have never even seen YGO before.
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Okay, Now it looks like you're just trying to be a jerk. Awhile back you told me you thought my Deck was decent. And you also said that you thought I was skilled because I could make E-Heroes work at all. And you said that you were amazed that I could make an E-Hero Deck that worked against AIs. What made you change your mind?

And remember that time you said you had a Duel on Wi-Fi with my Elemental Hero Deck? Well from what you told me it sounds to me like you weren't using my Deck right and that was the reason why you lost...Because if you had 2 Absolute Zeros out I don't see any excuse for losing. Especially if you were facing D-Heroes.

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Jaden, I know what I'm talking about. What I mean is, they make the good decks on Pojo that everyone netdecks. I'm serious. It doesn't take a genius to comprehend how to use E-heroes. And I'm positive the people I'm talking about could figure it out.
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Which reminds me, And how exactly do you KNOW it's those people may I ask?


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"Experience" on the video game, as I've explained to you, means jack shіt to me. I don't care if you've played it for five years, the real game is a whole different level. You do not have "bad luck", it's just impossible to draw well with E-heroes. In all my time using BW's, I've gotten a really bad starting hand maybe...five times. Want to know why? Because I use a deck that doesn't suck.
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I remember you saying that about The Duel Arena but not the videogames...

Mind telling me what makes the real game so different from the videogames?


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You should be afraid. You'll get slaughtered, Jaden. Also, most E-heroes aren't even in booster packs you can buy anymore, you'll need to buy singles online. Head to trollandtoad.com, build a deck, order it, and try it at a comic shop. I freaking dare you.
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You're totally reminding me of Chazz Princeton right now. Go ahead and say what you want to, But I'm more like the real Jaden Yuki than you think. I've mastered the Elemental Heroes. And I don't give up. I believe in My Heroes and My Deck. And hard work pays off! I've already proven that I can do better with Elemental Heroes than most people can.

There is a Booster Pack called "Duelist Pack Jaden Yuki" And a few others...I just need to find them...I also need to find which pack Super Polymerization is in...

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Yeah, you're right. I have MORE. May I remind you that you've never even PLAYED the real game?
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I said with Elemental Heroes not the real game. I KNOW that you have alot more experience in the real game than I do...=P Have you used them that much in the real game?


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Well get your ears checked. What I've seen is near-professionals (as in, the people that MAKE the cookie cutter decks you see on Pojo) build the best E-hero decks they can, and lose to scrubs running about any deck you can think of.
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That pretty much just tells me that they aren't the competitive players that you make them out to be. Either that or they just plain don't know how to use them right. Besides, You yourself said that Pojo is just a wretched hive of scrubs and noobs right? =P

Because my experience with Elemental Heroes has shown me how good they can be. I have had YEARS to master them. So I know what I'm talking about. My only problem is that I sometimes have bad luck. I'm not afraid to try them at a local tournament/comic shop. I've been meaning to tell you that I've had thoughts about getting a real Deck and playing the real game. I just need to know what Booster Packs Elemental Heroes are in. (And I need to find some friends to play with too.)

I've got a new and improved WC2010 Elemental Hero Deck now which runs Super Polymerization X2 And Elemental Hero Woodsman. (I can't believe I didn't add him sooner lol.) And a few other things too which I'll PM you soon.

And I am having a BLAST with it too!

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No they're not. There is no RIGHT way to do E-heroes. No matter what, they suck.
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You are Dead Wrong. And I really wish that you knew just how many people disagree with you besides me...

Do you have the kind of experience with them that I do? No you don't. You haven't seen them near enough to know how good they can be like I have therefore your judgment of them is invalid. From the looks of what I've heard you say so far it appears to me that all you've seen of them are just AI Decks and scrubs playing them at locals.

Also, I thought I made it clear before that I won't have anybody badmouthing Elemental Heroes in my presence.


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No it's not. It's the truth. E-heroes can't draw fast enough to make anything happen, I've never seen an E-hero deck even get one of their stronger fusions out against a competitive deck.
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That's because you have yet to see a properly built one in action. I may not know as much about this game as you do but I DO know more about Elemental Heroes than you do. They can either be a great Deck or a horrible Deck. It all depends on how they're built.


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No it can't. There's no way to "properly" build an E-hero deck.
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I'm gonna PM you my most recent Elemental Hero Deck. You can disregard my last PM.


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Because he does. Raigeki does not need to be in an E-hero deck to be played. Raigeki does not need to wait for E-heroes to draw fusion material and super/polymerization. Raigeki does not need to be placed on the field and destroyed. Saying AZ is a monster Raigeki is like saying MST is a quick play Raigeki. Seriously, that's one of the most inept things I've ever heard you say.
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Awhile back you even said yourself that you thought SOME of the Elemental Heroes were good. Do you remember the time when you said Gaia was like a beefier version of Gale? The part where you said that got time warped though so I can't give you any proof.


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Wrong. And this is an insult. I do not rely on luck for Blackwings. AZ decks are too bulky and impossible to build right to ever get what they need fast enough. That's not luck's fault, it's a bad deck's fault.
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But suppose you WERE unlucky enough for him to Fusion Summon himself to the field when you had like 4-5 Blackwings out? What would you do then?


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Just, ugh...how do you come to conclusions like this?

Look, I never wanted to say this but your inept comments have been getting on my nerves a lot recently. Let me make something very clear to you:
YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT.
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Alright, Then would you mind telling me what you would do in such a case?

And which of my comments have? I didn't think I'd even made any recently.

Oh, and before you say something like: "I'm stopping this argument right now" technically YOU are the one who is making an argument out of it. All I'm trying to do is debate. You're the one getting pissed off and not being civil about it.

That may be true, But I know that Elemental Heroes are good if they're done right. Oh and, The part where you said Elemental Heroes aren't good because they get destroyed before they can get out anything significant is wrong. A properly built Elemental Hero Deck can get out strong Fusions pretty quickly.

Also, Absolute Zero is a fuсking Monster Card Version of Raigeki!!! So how can you POSSIBLY think that he sucks??? And if you were able to beat him easily as you said you were in WC2010 all that tells me is that you got lucky enough that he didn't get to Draw what he needed. Because the way I see it an Absolute Zero Deck would DESTROY a Blackwings Deck...

Blackwings heavily rely on swarming the field alot and that would leave your hand empty alot. And since Absolute Zero's effect would take them all out at once if he Fusion Summoned any copies of himself to the field you would've been screwed...

How well are you keeping up with the Meta Game exactly? I mean come on! Elemental Heroes just keep getting better and better! I've been hearing talk of it on Pojo.

Dude! Check this out!
http://yugioh.wikia.com/wiki/Elemental_Hero_Nova_Master

And you thought Elemental Heroes were dead.:rockdover:

WC2008 was such a great game...I really liked how they included the characters from both the first series and GX in it.

I think they really need to make a Yugioh Game where you get to have the characters from All 3 of The Series...The First, GX, And 5D's...

I was disappointed that SAWC2009 and WC2010 didn't do that. They really should've done that and saved the story mode thing being in there for a 5D's Version of Nightmare Troubadour/Spirit Caller instead...

What do you think?