Makaze

3 days Mak.

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:O That is magical! I have no idea how you did that but that's amazing ^_^ I love that song :'D So inspirational~ really cheers me up when I'm low ^_^

Really? 3 And which song is that? :D

*hug* Please don't be mad at yourself, we all strike at disagreements and general pish...Honestly don't worry, as long as you patch things up you have nothing to be mad about ^_^ <3

Awww are you okay? Is there anything I can do to help? I hope you're gonna be okay :) And don't be mad at yourself...Everyone gets into arguments, it's perfectly normal

I think I still have the ROMs on my laptop ^_^ But thanks for the offer~ I will try them soon ^_^ see if I can within the next few days~

Super Smash Bros. Is so much fun ^_^

So how are you~?

Sadly no but I have been intending to get around to it ^_^ I HAVE played super smash bros brawl and found that I do like Marth! ^_^ So you play it then I guess? Is it worth the play? :3

Usually wrong. Not my type of thoughts, it was your own thoughts earlier about choosing to be born, something I wouldn't have thought of if it wasn't in some metaphysical theme. Too abstract for the more tangible idea of choice, but then again you probably wouldn't see it like that.


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I did not mean it like that, but I suspected you would take it personally. You take quite a few things I say as if they apply to you specifically. Please assume that I am being impersonal unless it becomes extremely obvious that I am addressing you as an individual.

If someone says something, I usually hold them to it and assume they mean it... Unless I know them well enough to detect satire or a lie. Which is why I find it hard to take jokes. The other day in Skype, I took you seriously because my expectations for you had been shattered and you lashed out at me, so I was not sure what to expect. I feel forced to take your measure anew based on what you say after you have rejected me and shattered my image of you. As a result I took what you said as if you meant it. That is an example of what I meant.
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When you were in a conversation just with me, that would likely make comments made by you more directed to me. But I was actually highlighting the fact that you can make people feel negative about you, and you clearly said you thought of such a thing. So why say it all? Then again you've already told me such things before I suppose. All I hear is 'I don't care' when you talk about other people or talk to them.

But Makaze... I have to admit I am sorry if I 'hurt' you in some way, if I disappointed you, I did not mean so. Truly I have never been against you, actually for the majority of time I've been defending you against others who would simply class you as some troll, but when you returned from being banned, your attitude seemed more bitter at things, and it seemed you took it to heart and blamed everyone. This was likely when your image of me was changed, I'm actually incredibly flattered you offered me any esteem in the scheme of things.
Heh, it was when you wanted me to pick whether I was with or against, I just couldn't believe you would see people as that. Duality.

But as I have said before I am not here to show off my most excellent of skills to you, this is my place of peace and your place of war, metaphorically of course. I am here to relax, part take in the company of others, talk, laugh and enjoy myself in a usually calming place.
I have enough drama in real life to really wish for anymore. Work is full of political bull and drama with colleagues always making things mad. I come here to meet people who are diverse and up for a nice time. This is one of the reasons we have butted heads more, I wish you to not shake the apple cart just for the purpose of the fun you get from it.

I have never seen you as an 'enemy' Makaze, you are a part of this community, and without you it might be that more people would be willing to bring up issues that wouldn't be analysed by you to an nth degree, but he'll, still wouldnt feel great if you left. We need someone to kill the mood round here! :p

I do not care for your points because they are restrictive, they are not promoting a flow or back channelling of ideas and thoughts between us. It seems like we gain nothing, you do not budge or your set ideas and attempt to consider mine, then you go on to presume much about my thoughts like you know what I'm going to say, and counter it before I have even started on the subject, or wouldn't have even brought it up.

You imply me of lying and say that I am not well known of by you? This is what makes you so hard to understand you, when I see your posts it's as if I am being looked down upon. I can presume you likely didn't mean this, but it's how I felt from it.

I've yet to find a conversation between us that ever leads to a conclusion apart from some mixed and misunderstood ideas between us. I just give up before I either say something I might regret or can't be bothered feigning interest to myself.
I would've liked the word 'discussed' over 'argued' but semantics I suppose.

To be honest, the only reason I brought that question up was to get people thinking about such a situation, since it seemed to be going only one way and the thread was dying, so there we go. Whether I believe it, well, I'm still up for internal debate on it mainly would say depends on the specific situation, but not sure...

Damn it I thought I replied to this earlier...

Anyway, the gist of it all was that your answers are as expected from what you've said before.
I can't really say anything more about your points so unless you have anything to enquire then I have nothing more to say, really.

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You brought up the idea that humans have a choice. This would imply that humans more than chose to be born, but chose the spectrum of desires and tendencies that they were born with. I went to the source while you were more general, but you did bring it up.
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I said humans have choice. I didn't say they have a choice in everything. That's a generalisation that you perceived, and the source argument would be 'Is there ever a choice?' not 'this would mean nothing is a choice' which is an answer to source argument. You can't question with an answer like that, especially since you altered what my thoughts are to what you perceived I was thinking. You never bothered to ask me.


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... No? I am saying that you can take any argument regarding a human and apply it to an animal and vice versa. If you argue that humans are superior because of some lack of complexity in animals, then I take the argument that complexity does not imply superiority or fundamental difference. If you argue that humans are superior because they have choice, then I argue that animals also have choice. Humans are merely the most efficient animal. That is what I am doing.
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I'm completely sceptical. I could just sound sarcastic but I'd rather just say so. I doubt we are the most efficient creature, a number of insects indeed have greater efficiency then humans.

Termites are the main thought, they have roles for everyone, they do so, they work till they die, they die for their work, they create their own nests and live in a hive functionality.

I would doubt even more you to the most efficient. I find it to be arrogance, to think you are the most efficient. Humans are limited and to different from one another, it is not something to pin the whole species down in one fell idea. Too many specifics.


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I would not try to disprove its existence because that would presuppose certainty exists. Rather, I would play the devil's advocate of that card on someone who felt certain in their reality. If one gets too comfortable with their model of the world, I am want to remind them just how shaky it is. And have done so many a time.
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What? So trying to disprove God's existence presupposes that existence is part of God?
Shake people's convictions? Too comfortable? You mean cause conflict and chaos. Devil wind, you remind me of Fuma Kotaro, an entity to create conflict for the creation of more conflict. The role of life itself is able to shake people plenty, it is their moments of respite that keep them level as things move beneath them.


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... No? Choice and options are not the inclusive. My point is that if a human does not get to pick the options available to them, then their choice is essentially meaningless. Even if a person had as many choices as their mind could conceive of, they would not have picked out that range of choices, and would be forced to admit that choices outside of their imagination may be possible. And yet their imagination is limited to the one set. Even if you theoretically had every possible option available to you, you did not choose what pleases you, so your end choice is a result of preferences that you did not initiate. Something that tastes bad to you tastes bad to you regardless of what you want, and this will affect whether or not you eat it.
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So you believe in destiny and fate then? That we have no control over what we do and are deluding ourselves.
And if we know that if something we don't find pleasure in its taste but is healthy for us, if this is a preference of your own health over pleasure, then pleasure is not the the only choice you have, it is between health and pleasure. Your choice comes from many factors, it is usually not one defining characteristics that will dictate everything you do, and it may not even be something you've experienced before, but a development of your own self and state.


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I am not for designing humans and a support for third party intervention does not follow from what I have said. If you were created by your parents then you still did not choose your own nature, your parents did. Eugenics or not, your nature is out of your hands
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Humans can not choose nature, parents certainly have no control over their childs nature, only the nurture. It is not how the laws of the universe work. But do you even believe the laws of physics, nature, and so on? You are a devil's advocate to the point of contradiction to being human in my mind.

I know. I can't really forget about things I have to do ... until I do them, they're always there.

I've written plenty of essays to explain my overall points. Do not insult me in such a way that I can not read it, take the occasional criticism will you? My god, it's like pulling teeth for you to say you're in the wrong, in general.

Wait, when the **** did I bring up choosing to be born? You stated it and I asked how it's relevant, and you're saying I brought it up? Are you thinking of something different?

So there is no knowledge if we can know nothing? This discussion isn't happening then? You seem to be saying that we can't know how an animal would be created, so then science has no grounds in how any animal is created? Or do you mean its origin as a life form?
I get the feeling that you would try to disprove the entire existence of things because it all needs to be observed using our senses, which are not reliable in telling what is 'true'.


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If we chose our limits as humans and are quite limited already, then why should having more limits (being a less intelligent animal) denote less choice in the matter?
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Yang does having limits mean having less choice? Because it's limited. Isn't that the definition of limit is that it lessens what is there?
Humans don't have a choice in what they create in themselves or in their descendants, especially not on a planet sized level. If you're going into designing humans to have the least 'limits' you're on the verge of eugenics, which is ultra elitist crap.

I never said that humans aren't a type of animal, I just said they are wildly unique/different compared to animals. Too general maybe?

You talk in multiple directions. You say you don't speak of this thing, but don't say what you are speaking of. If you consjder that the world is this way, when I may not see it as such. I feel a lack of direction, you seem to one minute be talking about one thing and moving onto another then moving back again. It is hard to follow your point.

I may not be able to choose what I am born as, but why does that dictate anything? I have no control over the universe, over my birth. Why bother discussing that which I or you know nothing about? If we don't know it, try to investigate and find nothing, I can come to no answer to my questions and won't be able to get there if I have nothing to refer to, perceive, think of... its like thinking about nothing.

I wish you to be more direct, and forget the elaborations, just simplistic and succinct questions. Your explanations are hard to follow sometimes.

I think you're referring to something similar to the MGS2 ending. If you know what I'm talking about. The concept that no one has independent choice or identity since they are a product of something before and the choices of others.

Am I your new Slaughtermatic? Lovely.
Do you not know the saying 'Let sleeping dogs lie'? Lay to rest where there is no end, learn to find peace. Then again you need time , years to find such a thing, age can temper the storms.

You used the ideas of survival and evolution for the reason people make their impulsive choices. So do impulses result in that writers write; painters paint, their words, their choice of colours, the general of an army to plan strategies and stratagem is all but an impulse? Is the job of a spy impulse decision or those that choose self persecution if they feel responsible for something? Do I feel the impulse to stay in an abusive relationship because it is my best means of survival or it is an evolutionary direction in built in me?
You could boil everything down to impulse, as easily as I could boil everything down to good and evil. To think only in one way about such an idea is as blind as morality can be, or faith, or our own hubris.

I wouldn't know. I am not versed in the psychology of dogs, so I couldn't say. How long does an impulse last for you? Does a dog ever have an impulse to die for others?

You're welcome. <3 Last night I pulled up Paint-Tool Sai to practice some pixel art and the first person to come to mind was you. I have some things to do for you still ... Writing an update to The Beast and getting you that signature (that is never forgotten about, just never good enough so I freak out and redo.)

Anyway, the pixel art is partly an apology for the immense lateness for everything. That, and I just love your design. Makaze-chan.

I wasn't saying you were.

I'm not entirely sure what's going on now. But the person you're addicted to could be a leech, it doesn't have to necessarily have to be so, though.

Better. :3